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Gregg Williams: “Culture Beats Strategy any day of the week”

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11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He falls into that good coordinator that will never be a good head coach category.  He also seems to be a pretty terrible human being.

 

This.  He seems to have figured out that he should hone what he did best, which is being a DC, and he's been very successful at it.  Like many successful people in many endeavors, he's not a particularly a decent person. 

 

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In one single post, the good bot caused all the Schopp disciples' heads to explode.

 

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11 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Exactly. I don't care about 4.3 40's, rocket arms, recovery speed, or even technique. You give me a team full of gritsters with a touch of moxie and we're going to the Promised Land. No doubt in my mind.

Sure.  They tried that experiment with Levy as GM. It doesn't work.  

36 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Pats have culture and talent.

 

 

Pats have talent and culture in that order.

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Talent and (execution of) strategy will trump culture. GM Levy had culture, Jauron tried culture and both with terrible results. As in business, so with sports you absolutely need to set a strategy and have the horses to execute it. 

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

 

Pats have talent and culture in that order.

 

Pats have strategy (read: coaching) and add talent that fits that plan. The culture just comes by with all the winning. 

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I know name calling is not allowed on TBD, but am I allowed to point out that Gregg Williams is an arrogant douche?

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46 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Talent and (execution of) strategy will trump culture. GM Levy had culture, Jauron tried culture and both with terrible results. As in business, so with sports you absolutely need to set a strategy and have the horses to execute it. 

 

Pats have strategy (read: coaching) and add talent that fits that plan. The culture just comes by with all the winning. 

 

Your sour grapes are causing a lot of blindness there.... 

The Pats have a culture of winning that is up there with Lombardi and other dynasties.

 

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1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

This.  He seems to have figured out that he should hone what he did best, which is being a DC, and he's been very successful at it. 

 

Greggo's defenses have ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league since he returned from his suspension. 

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No reason to practice at all then I guess. Just have picnics every day and sing kumbaya.

What a load of intangible bull#### :)

 

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with no great love or hate for the Pats, they just won a SB with a team that is arguably the worst ever talent-wise to win the SB

 

 

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4 hours ago, row_33 said:

with no great love or hate for the Pats, they just won a SB with a team that is arguably the worst ever talent-wise to win the SB

 

 

The original quote was "culture beats strategy" not "culture beats talent".  Gase was the guy who brought up the idea that  "culture beats talent" in one of the quotes .  In regards to the Pats, they are not and never have been on Belichick's watch, a talentless squad.  They start with the GOAT QB, Brady.  They had the leaague's best TE last season.  Edelmann is a beast.  Gilmore was an All Pro at DB.   Rookie RB Sony Michel ran for 900+ yards in only 13 games.   Stephen Gostkowski made nearly 84% of his FGs and 49 of 50 extra points.

 

Moreover, Belichick is a master strategist, and has been for his entire career, going back to his days in Cleveland where he got the most out of the limited talent he had.  In the 1991 Super Bowl, his defensive strategy stymied the much more talented Bills offense  As you noted his 2018 Super Bowl team was much less talented than the Rams, but even Rams HC Sean McVay admitted that Belichick out-coached him.  Belichick has out-coached just about every one of his contemporaries, except Tom Coughlin when they faced one another in the Super Bowl twice.

 

IMO, Belichick is the poster boy for "strategy trumps culture and talent" because he's built his career out-strategizing most of his opponents.  Does he create a "culture"?  I think if you consider an intolerance for mistakes and a dedication to doing whatever is necessary to win to be "culture", then Belichick creates culture, but if you think "culture" means selecting a certain type of player who behaves in a certain way, that's not Belichick.  Over the years, he's proven tolerant of numerous players who marched to their own drummers on their own time as long as they marched to his drummer when it came to football. 

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20 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Sure.  They tried that experiment with Levy as GM. It doesn't work.  

 

Twas a joke Ethan. Character matters; to an extent. At the end of the day, talent prevails. The 90's Bills weren't exactly choir boys.

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11 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Talent and (execution of) strategy will trump culture. GM Levy had culture, Jauron tried culture and both with terrible results. As in business, so with sports you absolutely need to set a strategy and have the horses to execute it. 

 

Pats have strategy (read: coaching) and add talent that fits that plan. The culture just comes by with all the winning. 

The Pats have Brady. There is no strategy without Brady. There is no culture without Brady. 

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9 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Sorry didn’t mean to offend the Schopp fans

 

People on here are saying Williams is trolling. Others are saying he’s a terrible coach. 

Some are defending what he said. 

Some are criticizing the idea. 

 

When the the real issue is that culture vs. strategy is an insane thing to bring up. They’re not mutually exclusive. McDermott said he would rather have culture than strategy. Mike schoop said why bother even saying that. Can you answer that question? Why bother saying anything about strategy because you want a great culture?

 

 

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On 6/13/2019 at 10:02 PM, Doc Brown said:

He falls into that good coordinator that will never be a good head coach category.  He also seems to be a pretty terrible human being.

 

....EXACTLY.......what the hell does Greggy know about culture?....guy was "cultured" in a petri dish.......SMH...........

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On 6/13/2019 at 10:18 PM, LSHMEAB said:

Exactly. I don't care about 4.3 40's, rocket arms, recovery speed, or even technique. You give me a team full of gritsters with a touch of moxie and we're going to the Promised Land. No doubt in my mind.

Sounds like a pitch for a Judy Garland / Mickey Rooney ‘Andy Hardy’ movie.  😁

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On 6/14/2019 at 9:24 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

The Pats have Brady. There is no strategy without Brady. There is no culture without Brady. 

 

pats just won another SB, this time with no solid passing threat beyond 12 yards on a given play

 

it can't get any weaker than that, maybe Payton winning and unable to throw an honest spiral more than 10 yards down the field

 

 

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I do think there is probably a significant difference between the way Sean McDermott defines culture and the way Gregg Williams defines it.

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..can't we just bury this pathetic azzclown somewhere in Jersey next to Hoffa?......several funeral homes contacted him I'd bet..............

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Posted (edited)

 

You know Kitchens had to be talking about his time in Cleveland with Gregg Williams.... 😂

 

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