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8 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

He lost me when he says Allen struggles with back shoulder placement. I think I only saw one throw that he missed throwing back shoulder. 

 

And the writer missed that one.

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It's obviously not the popular take, but that piece explains perfectly exactly why we ranked 31st in Yards-After-the-Catch.  

 

Those YAC come from the short high-percentage throws.  

 

For anyone to dismiss that is to set Allen up for failure.  

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I am so ***** MAD!

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So many talking heads have us as significantly improved and then winning 6 games. It's like they didn't watch us at all last year.

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18 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

He lost me when he says Allen struggles with back shoulder placement. I think I only saw one throw that he missed throwing back shoulder. 

Yup...I thought the back shoulder toss was actually Allen’s bread and butter

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20 hours ago, gjv001 said:

Take a look at the author, does he give you confidence that he knows anything about the development of an NFL QB?

I thought the same thing. Put some red hair on the kid and he looks like ron howard from his Mayberry days. Then to see hes deputy editor of bleeding green nation as well and i immediately went to ' why did i soend 5 min reading this?!'. Not bc he didnt have kind things to say - we have to have thick skin with allen as our qb, at least for now. It was more the aforementioned issues in this thread that ruined it and that was the icing on the cake

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18 hours ago, TigerJ said:

I don't know that it's intentional but I think a lot of subsequent analyses made by persons of all kinds of prospects tend to look like defenses of their initial analysis rather than a purely objective look based on what is actually happening to the young player.

Its also not like Allen did anything statistical in the passing game to help matters.

 

Nobody knows Josh Allen better then we the fans, his coaches and teamates. 

 

Flying under the radar is fine by me...

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10 minutes ago, Figster said:

Its also not like Allen did anything statistical in the passing game to help matters.

 

Nobody knows Josh Allen better then we the fans, his coaches and teamates. 

 

Flying under the radar is fine by me...

 

 

...FAR more beneficial IMO to follow the critical analyses of former NFL QB's still well connected to the game (could care less about their career stats) whether good, bad or indifferent.......Palmer, Simms, Dilfer, etc all provide pros, cons, and eventual opinions after weighing both as far as a QB prospect....what background does a urinalist have that is objective and unfettered from the safety of his under desk?....

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Here's part of his bio: Deputy Editor of Bleeding Green Nation.

Bleeding Green Nation is a Philadelphia Eagles site.  He's just worried that Allen will surpass Wentz.  

 

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What Allen needs is confidence. I think the writer hit on a few good points, Allen needs a passing game rich in throws he can easily hit, as does every QB, even Tom Brady. You build the offense around Allen, just as you would any QB. Then you sprinkle in new concepts he can master as he develops. 

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23 hours ago, HappyDays said:

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/rookie-qb-review--josh-allen

 

A few snippets:

 

 

"By the end of the season, the offense simply did not rely on short throws at all, and that's because Allen's most egregious inaccuracy issues flare up in the quick game, when he doesn't build a throwing base and attempts to drive footballs into wide-open windows exclusively with arm strength."

 

 

 

 

I admit, I am bored waiting for training camp, the preseason, and opening kickoff to get here so going waaay out of my way to address this guy's lack of depth on his evaluations particularly his summary comment about the types of plays called towards season's end.

 

If you look at the last game against Miami objectively you will see a good sample of everything good and everything bad about Josh's game and the team around him, but saying the Bills did away with short throws is just lazy. I have no idea where he gets "the offense did not rely on short throws at all". What you see is the direct opposite and the focus of plays trending in that direction under Daboll to grow Allen's game:

 

 

Summary:

 

Allen needs to work on his accuracy - particularly when he sets and throws. He tends to set his base in poor position relying solely on his arm to lead receivers which leads to overthrows and under throws, whereas he has pretty good to very good accuracy when throwing off platform on the move. 

 

I believe Josh will have more time this year, and that may have the opposite effect than what we all expect in regards to his accuracy early on. I say this now as a cautionary thing for us fans, as I think having time to throw from a clean pocket will force Allen to have to correct his issues building a proper throwing base and many of the passes where he is inaccurate seem to be when he has the time in the pocket and is not on the move.

 

Allen's throws at the beginning of games or half time tend to sail on him. Daboll may want to consider calling more runs in those situations to allow Allen to get into a rhythm and tamp down the competitive adrenaline. He also needs to understand game situations better - there is no need to force the ball into double coverage when you are deep in your own zone , facing a 2nd and long situation, and there is only 40+ seconds left in the half - led to a Miami pick 6.

 

Allen has some ridiculously long runs - the 30 and 40 yard variety that just boggle the mind, but we know that QB's that rely mostly on running the ball cannot sustain that productivity year after year so they have to become better pocket passers or they fail. This is a huge maturation year for Allen in regards to becoming a better pocket passer. I do not propose removing the valid threat that Allen's scrambling creates, but rather reeling them back a bit by teaching him to head for the sidelines and to slide more.

 

At this point in his development you just have to ask yourself, can Allen work to close the gap and become a more consistent passer?  One either believes that or they don't, but he has never had the luxury of having a good offensive line so he has to build up some better habits when throwing from the pocket. He has rarely had the luxury to develop that aspect of his game - IMO at this stage patience is needed as no one really knows what Allen's ceiling actually is when it comes to learning to throw from a clean pocket - we will all find out over time.

 

Either way, Daboll mostly called short to intermediate routes throughout the game, but when Miami subbed a bunch of guys in the secondary it just made sense to leverage a few deep throws near the end to seal the win. The author does touch upon the truth about Allen's struggles building a proper throwing base, but there is nothing at all in the game film that suggest the author was right in his assessment about the Bills and Daboll having thrown up their hands and given up on shorter routes - that was pure conjecture and shoddy journalism.

 

Perhaps we should thank the talking heads for being so terrible they give us something to talk about during the dead times between seasons.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

 

Summary:

 

Allen needs to work on his accuracy - particularly when he sets and throws. He tends to set his base in poor position relying solely on his arm to lead receivers which leads to overthrows and under throws, whereas he has pretty good to very good accuracy when throwing off platform on the move. 

 

I believe Josh will have more time this year, and that may have the opposite effect than what we all expect in regards to his accuracy early on. I say this now as a cautionary thing for us fans, as I think having time to throw from a clean pocket will force Allen to have to correct his issues building a proper throwing base and many of the passes where he is inaccurate seem to be when he has the time in the pocket and is not on the move.

 

Allen's throws at the beginning of games or half time tend to sail on him. Daboll may want to consider calling more runs in those situations to allow Allen to get into a rhythm and tamp down the competitive adrenaline.

 

 

 

I agree with the premise, but not the remedy. I think Josh's issues have more to do with overthinking and less to do with adrenaline. Clean pockets last season seemed to catch him off guard, so hopefully that won't be an issue in 2019. What I would suggest is more no huddle, a quicker pace, etc. The problem starting halves could very well be the result of adrenaline not yet flowing. I'd honestly go 2 minute O to start the half quite a bit. Read, react, but don't think. 

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5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I agree with the premise, but not the remedy. I think Josh's issues have more to do with overthinking and less to do with adrenaline. Clean pockets last season seemed to catch him off guard, so hopefully that won't be an issue in 2019. What I would suggest is more no huddle, a quicker pace, etc. The problem starting halves could very well be the result of adrenaline not yet flowing. I'd honestly go 2 minute O to start the half quite a bit. Read, react, but don't think. 

 

Fair enough and I agree he is probably over thinking things at this point and a faster tempo could be a good way to counter that.

 

I don't know if I have ever seen a QB whose every throw has come under as much scrutiny as Allen - he has that lightening rod effect of polarizing opinions. He is going to have to figure out the balance between accepting there are things he genuinely needs to work on without losing sight that there are some pretty amazing aspects to his game.

Also glad to see OBD trying to develop some consistency in the QB room and not trying to dissuade Allen for continuing to work with Jordan Palmer. Too many voices trying to help Allen correct his mechanics would likely just lead to even more of the over thinking you mention.

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2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I agree with the premise, but not the remedy. I think Josh's issues have more to do with overthinking and less to do with adrenaline. Clean pockets last season seemed to catch him off guard, so hopefully that won't be an issue in 2019. What I would suggest is more no huddle, a quicker pace, etc. The problem starting halves could very well be the result of adrenaline not yet flowing. I'd honestly go 2 minute O to start the half quite a bit. Read, react, but don't think. 

 

Also wondering why Daboll does not have Josh changing up the cadence a bit more.

 

Watch that clip and count how many times it is "READY... hut, hut". It does not help your o-line when pass rushers can easily jump the snap and tee-off on your QB because the cadence rarely ever changes.

 

 

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1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

Also wondering why Daboll does not have Josh changing up the cadence a bit more.

 

Watch that clip and count how many times it is "READY... hut, hut". It does not help your o-line when pass rushers can easily jump the snap and tee-off on your QB because the cadence rarely ever changes.

 

 

I didn't notice that, but it could be that BD was trying to keep it simple for a rookie QB. Definitely need to mix up the cadence going forward if that was indeed the case.

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5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I didn't notice that, but it could be that BD was trying to keep it simple for a rookie QB. Definitely need to mix up the cadence going forward if that was indeed the case.

 

Maybe watch some film of EJ’s hard count?  I miss that! 😋

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20 hours ago, Gugny said:

I am so ***** MAD!

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Posted (edited)

I don't want to cast shade on anybody because of what they look like, or anything like that. I don't want to draw conclusions on somebody merely because of their age, or their fashion choices, or their life experiences. I just want to put this thread into some sort of perspective.

This is a recent picture of the guy whose opinion we are currently debating:

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This is not a joke.

This is an actual, recent photograph of Benjamin Solak, the author of the article that we, as Bills fans, are debating on June 9th, 2019. I'm sure he is a fine, young man. I have nothing but respect for the work, and dedication he has shown to get his article featured in the online football journal, The Draft Network.

Good job, kid!

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Forgive me if I don't put an enormous amount of stock in the opinion of someone whom, I assume, is still in high school. I have a daughter in high school, and she is also convinced that she knows far more than me. And, in all honesty, she might be right. I can't say that I have ever won an argument with her that didn't end with me uttering the phrase, "because I said so..."

An adult sized cop-out if ever there was one. 

 

Now, let's move on.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don't want to cast shade on anybody because of what they look like, or anything like that. I don't want to draw conclusions on somebody merely because of their age, or their fashion choices, or their life experiences. I just want to put this thread into some sort of perspective.

This is a recent picture of the guy whose opinion we are currently debating:

40c6a71bf96104764302e30d93d425df.jpg.3da99579b39f9e16c90690c81c8a85d0.jpg

This is not a joke.

This is an actual, recent photograph of Benjamin Solak, the author of the article that we, as Bills fans, are debating on June 9th, 2019. I'm sure he is a fine, young man. I have nothing but respect for the work, and dedication he has shown to get his article featured in the online football journal, The Draft Network.

Good job, kid!

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Forgive me if I don't put an enormous amount of stock in the opinion of someone whom, I assume, is still in high school. I have a daughter in high school, and she is also convinced that she knows far more than me. And, in all honesty, she might be right. I can't say that I have ever won an argument with her that didn't end with me uttering the phrase, "because I said so..."

An adult sized cop-out if ever there was one. 

 

Now, let's move on.

 

 

 

Now that is funny!

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I wanna know how someone gets a gig like this. Obviously, knowledge of the subject isn’t required. What’s happened to “journalism” is just criminal. Must be the ever disappearing skill of being dick while using G rated language..

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7 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don't want to cast shade on anybody because of what they look like, or anything like that. I don't want to draw conclusions on somebody merely because of their age, or their fashion choices, or their life experiences. I just want to put this thread into some sort of perspective.

This is a recent picture of the guy whose opinion we are currently debating:

40c6a71bf96104764302e30d93d425df.jpg.3da99579b39f9e16c90690c81c8a85d0.jpg

This is not a joke.

This is an actual, recent photograph of Benjamin Solak, the author of the article that we, as Bills fans, are debating on June 9th, 2019. I'm sure he is a fine, young man. I have nothing but respect for the work, and dedication he has shown to get his article featured in the online football journal, The Draft Network.

Good job, kid!

A+

Forgive me if I don't put an enormous amount of stock in the opinion of someone whom, I assume, is still in high school. I have a daughter in high school, and she is also convinced that she knows far more than me. And, in all honesty, she might be right. I can't say that I have ever won an argument with her that didn't end with me uttering the phrase, "because I said so..."

An adult sized cop-out if ever there was one. 

 

Now, let's move on.

 

 

 

 

 

Coincidentally, I found an online photo of our beloved ScottLaw as well:

 

 

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On June 8, 2019 at 4:21 PM, Captain Murica said:

Feisty team... I wanted to defend the draft network but ***** yikes man. 6-10/7-9, then McDermott & Beane will be on the hot seat and the rebuild was for nothing. 

 

For FFS I cannot wait for TC & the preseason to come. 

It's good to know that with the FA and draft improvements, a QB in his second year, a division opponent tanking along with a seemingly softer schedule that we might be feisty enough to match last year's record.

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With the explosion of the Internet sites devoted to the NFL it is impossible to figure out anymore who has validity in commenting on things and who is the equivalent of a guy like me just siting in his basement spewing things out just for the heck of it. 

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So my only issue from this article comes from this segment:

 

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Now, inaccuracy doesn't just vanish. Players don't just become more accurate -- at least, not with such a significant jump that we should expect Allen to, at any point in his career, become a suddenly accurate quarterback. He's good at hitting downfield throws when he can see it and sling it, though he still struggles with backshoulder placement; he can hit some intermediate crossers and then inexplicably miss the next one. The name of the game isn't making Allen more accurate -- it's modeling the offense around the throws that he can hit accurately, and hoping that passing game will be sustainable.

 

Seriously? Accuracy can't be fixed? So instead we should model an offense that has 0 short game?

You will NEVER win games by just slinging it down field over and over. He suggests bringing a "madden team" in. Which he means "throw the deep ball over and over". I suggest that Madden is the only football he watches because all of this is idiocy. 

Accuracy CAN be worked on.  Of course you want to build an offense around your QB's strengths but at the same time you need to continue to work on his weaknesses and turn them into strengths. Otherwise you end up with a one dimensional offense that anybody can defend against. 

Has anyone else seen articles about whether accuracy can be fixed or not? I mean.....do human beings get born with an accuracy gene that sets just how accurate they will be throwing the ball and there is just nothing to do to change that? 

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