Coach Tuesday Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Such different players. Bruce played the game like Von Miller, with speed and quicks, but at 290 lbs. He had a ballerina's bend. There will never be another like him. That said, Reggie was probably more fearsome. A quick LT (like Richmond Webb) could sometimes neutralize Bruce. White just lined up and dominated whomever was in front of him, with pure power. He was a beast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Let's have them arm wrestle and put this debate to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Let's have them arm wrestle and put this debate to bed. Um... Reggie White is dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I'm wondering how different the poll results would be on a national scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: I'm wondering how different the poll results would be on a national scale? I would think it would be about flip flopped but the average football fan isn't paying attention to schemes and what side of the line a player is lining up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I would think it would be about flip flopped but the average football fan isn't paying attention to schemes and what side of the line a player is lining up on. I think Reggie would be ahead 60/40. Because the average football fan sees 198 sacks in 232 games vs just 2 more in an extra 47 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Reggie big picture Bruce as a fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 They were both great,but if Bruce had played in a 4-3 like Reggie did then Bruce's sack numbers would be even more than he ended up with..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I think Reggie would be ahead 60/40. Because the average football fan sees 198 sacks in 232 games vs just 2 more in an extra 47 games. i'll be honest. i'm not sure which way I would go here. I think bruce would be more revered nationally had he got just one Lombardi... I guess might give a slight nod to white, but I don't think lining up over the RT the majority of the time helps his case in the least. Bruce most definitely faced more talented tackles on the left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Um... Reggie White is dead. I guess we have our answer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: i'll be honest. i'm not sure which way I would go here. I think bruce would be more revered nationally had he got just one Lombardi... I guess might give a slight nod to white, but I don't think lining up over the RT the majority of the time helps his case in the least. Bruce most definitely faced more talented tackles on the left side. It’s a tough call. Because there is nobody I’ve ever seen who was as quick as Bruce was off the line, and his ability to anticipate snap counts was ridiculous. For pure entertainment, nobody was better to watch than Bruce. But... From a pure technician and power standpoint, Reggie was a man amongst boys. Not as flashy, but just pure power and domination. Using the excuse that Reggie played against RT’s is a cop out because it didn’t matter who tried to block him. He’d make them his B word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Jay_Fixit said: It’s a tough call. Because there is nobody I’ve ever seen who was as quick as Bruce was off the line, and his ability to anticipate snap counts was ridiculous. For pure entertainment, nobody was better to watch than Bruce. But... From a pure technician and power standpoint, Reggie was a man amongst boys. Not as flashy, but just pure power and domination. Using the excuse that Reggie played against RT’s is a cop out because it didn’t matter who tried to block him. He’d make them his B word. like I said, I think I give reggie the edge, but is it debatable that he routinely faced lessor talent on the right side of the line? I think its a legitimate knock against somebody when you have two people so good that the debate is gonna involve picking at nits. definitely what sticks out most of my memories of white was his power. using that one armed club to just maul people over..... I was really too young to appreciate either guy to the fullest though. was only in my elementary years in those early and mid 90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 29 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Such different players. Bruce played the game like Von Miller, with speed and quicks, but at 290 lbs. He had a ballerina's bend. There will never be another like him. That said, Reggie was probably more fearsome. A quick LT (like Richmond Webb) could sometimes neutralize Bruce. White just lined up and dominated whomever was in front of him, with pure power. He was a beast. Years ago there was a Webb ESPN highlight film and most of the action was against the Bills and Webb had help on almost every play! Not a big Webb fan, now Boselli is a different situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I voted Bruce because I’m from Buffalo. I’d imagine if you asked fans of the Eagles or Packers they would say white. Personally I’d prefer Bruce in my team than Reggie if we’re talking about what they bring in the field. But Reggie was by far a much better person off the field and it isn’t even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: like I said, I think I give reggie the edge, but is it debatable that he routinely faced lessor talent on the right side of the line? I think its a legitimate knock against somebody when you have two people so good that the debate is gonna involve picking at nits. definitely what sticks out most of my memories of white was his power. using that one armed club to just maul people over..... I was really too young to appreciate either guy to the fullest though. was only in my elementary years in those early and mid 90's I don’t think it’s a legitimate knock at all unless you’re trying to justify reasoning for someone being better. Nothing about it is quantifiable. It’s pure guesswork. Nothing is to say that Reggie would have been less dominant if he played in a different scheme against different players. What we do know is that he average .85 sacks per game and Bruce averaged .72. And I don’t think that pretty significant gap would be closed very much if roles were changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Bruce was better both on and off the field. I'll never forget or forgive Reggie White's racist diatribe in front of the Wisconsin legislature. Given the opportunity to apologize, Reggie doubled down on the hate. Bruce all the way, and it's not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I don’t think it’s a legitimate knock at all unless you’re trying to justify reasoning for someone being better. Nothing about it is quantifiable. It’s pure guesswork. Nothing is to say that Reggie would have been less dominant if he played in a different scheme against different players. What we do know is that he average .85 sacks per game and Bruce averaged .72. And I don’t think that pretty significant gap would be closed very much if roles were changed. deductive reasoning really... who's generally the more coveted athlete? the LT or RT? where does the better talent usually reside? as a general rule is the LT. I think its safe to assume that if white had played superior talent on the regular basis his numbers take a slight dip. playing more talented players week in and week out isn't gonna yield the same result...... enough dip to make a significant difference? I don't know. maybe not, but I still think is definitely worth taking into the picture. my personal list has always been jones, white, and smith. its sure is close between white and smith though. Edited June 6, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I don’t think it’s a legitimate knock at all unless you’re trying to justify reasoning for someone being better. Nothing about it is quantifiable. It’s pure guesswork. Nothing is to say that Reggie would have been less dominant if he played in a different scheme against different players. What we do know is that he average .85 sacks per game and Bruce averaged .72. And I don’t think that pretty significant gap would be closed very much if roles were changed. You mean if they switched rush sides and played in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3? I think it would make somewhat of a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I don’t think it’s a legitimate knock at all unless you’re trying to justify reasoning for someone being better. Nothing about it is quantifiable. It’s pure guesswork. Nothing is to say that Reggie would have been less dominant if he played in a different scheme against different players. What we do know is that he average .85 sacks per game and Bruce averaged .72. And I don’t think that pretty significant gap would be closed very much if roles were changed. It is nothing more than guesswork: Two different players, playing in different positions, in different schemes, in entirely different circumstances. Could be that the stats are reversed if roles are reversed, or not. Two great players and a fun discussion. However, in the end, like all comparisons of great players, it just an opinion wrapped up in guesswork. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, mrags said: I voted Bruce because I’m from Buffalo. I’d imagine if you asked fans of the Eagles or Packers they would say white. Personally I’d prefer Bruce in my team than Reggie if we’re talking about what they bring in the field. But Reggie was by far a much better person off the field and it isn’t even close. LOL. Perhaps you forgot this. https://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/26/sports/pro-football-remarks-by-packers-white-draw-criticism-in-wisconsin.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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