Thurman#1 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 4 hours ago, cba fan said: rookie camp, players working out together in off season, ota's, minicamp, training camp, 4 preseason games, then another over one week to prepare for opener. That is much more than a few months. I think they will be fine. It's a major deal for the OL. But other than that, yeah, it's business as usual. Especially this early in the life cycle of the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 hours ago, tomur67 said: How long will it take for the Bills' coaching staff to get this team to jell? With so many new players from trades, free agency, and the draft can we expect that all these moving parts will operate together at the level they need to compete? We know they have talent, but will it take more than a few months to get this talent to win? There’s probably 40 threads dealing with this concern since March. As @KD in CA wrote, I’d be far more concerned if we didn’t add anybody after a 6-10 display. But, that’s we hang out here on the corner every day, like a junkie looking for his next fix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 10 hours ago, tomur67 said: How long will it take for the Bills' coaching staff to get this team to jell? With so many new players from trades, free agency, and the draft can we expect that all these moving parts will operate together at the level they need to compete? We know they have talent, but will it take more than a few months to get this talent to win? 3. 3 games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I think if you're looking for them to win this season, you might have the wrong mindset. I think absolute best case we have a 2016-esque season. If this team ends up being good I don't see them ready to really compete until 2021, or year 5 of the rebuild. As of today the only star we have in their prime is White. Hopefully a couple come into that role this year, including Allen, Edmunds and one of Zay or Foster. We also need some of the new faces to flash that potential. If we get several, we could accelerate the close of the rebuild by next year, but I think 2 more years is more realistic. I disagree. In the NFL you don’t get 5 years to be simply becoming competitive. It doesn’t work like that. While I do think McDermott will get the entire duration of his contract, I do think that by next season at the latest he should feel some pressure to win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 10 hours ago, tomur67 said: How long will it take for the Bills' coaching staff to get this team to jell? With so many new players from trades, free agency, and the draft can we expect that all these moving parts will operate together at the level they need to compete? We know they have talent, but will it take more than a few months to get this talent to win? all teams have roster turnover...plus, it's just football...not that complicated. There is plenty of practice time . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 New offensive lines having to gel is not a new thing or even an unusual thing in the NFL. Teams return all 5 starting linemen very rarely. I think we have upgraded the talent on the line pretty significantly - the question is how quickly do they settle on a 5. Personally I'd want by week 2 of camp them to have at least 3 of the positions nailed down and by the 3rd pre-season game the whole line settled to give the starting 5 a full half of semi competitive football together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 10 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I think if you're looking for them to win this season, you might have the wrong mindset. I think absolute best case we have a 2016-esque season. If this team ends up being good I don't see them ready to really compete until 2021, or year 5 of the rebuild. As of today the only star we have in their prime is White. Hopefully a couple come into that role this year, including Allen, Edmunds and one of Zay or Foster. We also need some of the new faces to flash that potential. If we get several, we could accelerate the close of the rebuild by next year, but I think 2 more years is more realistic. Every year it’s the same thing people say.. one more year. Been hearing that for past 15 years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Guys, don’t forget every NFL team turns over 1/3 of their roster every year. That’s not me saying it, but experts on NFR and other sources. I agree there is a lot of change and the overhaul in the O Line May take the first three weeks into the regular season, but the obvious I have concerns are always injury. I believe in our coaches and the defense is somewhat stable. Also the offensive and defensive scheme is similar to last year which allows Allen to play faster and the game slow down for him. im in the glass half full camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: That may be so, but it's the most likely thing to occur. Who do they have right now that makes you think they can compete with the Patriots, Chiefs, Rams, Eagles, or some of the up and comers? We are extremely far behind the good teams in the league so far. It doesn't mean they aren't getting there though. If you want to put money on the Bills winning the SB this year or next year, I'll beat Vegas' line. A five year rebuild may very well be ridiculous in today's NFL -- if the ownership is dedicated to having a winning team. In the last twenty years, teams going from bottom feeders -- non playoff teams of various quality -- to playoff teams within two or three years has become a benchmark for judging rebuilds. Really good organizations not only field playoff teams within two or three years of bringing in a new coaching regime, they frequently make the Super Bowl within 3 or 4 years. Teams that fail to make significant progress quickly in a rebuild don't ever seem to quite get there. The problem may be the ownership, FO, coaching staff or the lack of a franchise QB or poor personnel decisions in general or any combination, but "incremental rebuild" seems to be a euphemism for "perpetual rebuild mode" that teams like Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, Miami, and New York Jets have been in seemingly forever even if said teams occasionally make playoff appearances. I agree that the Bills personnel, especially on offense, doesn't match up very well with the top teams in the league. They've added talent, but they started out with almost none on offense and added pretty modest veteran talent except for perhaps Morse, so regularly competing with the big guns doesn't seem realistic at this point. I don't think that can be an excuse, however, for them not making significant improvement in 2019. I think a losing record with a healthy Josh Allen for all or almost all of the season raises all kinds of red flags that the current regime isn't all that different from previous regimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) Good discussion and great comments thus far. Most important : 1. Get OL figured out soon and give them time to jell. 2. Allen work with WRs and TEs - route timing and learn where his outlets will be. 3. Build a physical team that can run and stop the run - especially needed for last few months of a season Edited June 5, 2019 by Bob in STL 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 11 hours ago, TigerJ said: I think offensive line is the main area where turnover is going to be a huge issue, and the offensive line can't be worse than last season. Yes, there are new receivers, but they are likely to be two primary holdovers that will give Josh Allen something of a security blanket in Foster and Jones. If Allen can't develop some quick chemistry with Brown and Beasley, and whoever else is playing receiver, then a lot of passes will be going to Foster and Jones. Tight end also has turnover, but Croom could stick around as a holdover. Josh Allen also seems to be developing some early chemistry with Dawson Knox. That could turn into something special with Knox's athleticism. On defense, the Bills have a pretty normal level of turnover - no more than 2 starters Oliver at 3 tech and possibly Kevin Johnson at CB across from Tre White. Both could end up being talent upgrades. Agree with this. The only parts of the team with heavy turnover (O-Line, Wide Receivers, Tight Ends) were positions that pretty much bottomed-out last year. If the offensive line takes some time to gel, it can't possibly be worse than last season. If it takes a few games for Josh Allen to get on page with his receivers, it can't possibly be worse than last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I mentioned this in Gunners thread on roster projections. With the exception of QB, LT and maybe RB; the entire Offense is new! (And you can throw in QB too when you consider that Peterman actually started the opener.) I realize there’s a lot of roster turnover in the NFL but I’ve got to wonder if that’s ever happened before in a single offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 My biggest fear is unrealistic fan expectations based upon signing Cole Beasley and John Brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 On paper, this is essentially a new team. The young veterans have to step up and lead the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I think the coaches know they need to make the playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Expect to see a lot of this... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 35 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: On paper, this is essentially a new team. The young veterans have to step up and lead the way. Definitely not new on Defense. Oliver will be new and CB May be. Otherwise, same guys, same coaches, same scheme. Offense REQUIRED a redo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Win or gtfo. With the right staff in place, it doesn’t take 5 years to rebuild a team and be competitive. If the offense sucks really bad again, it’s likely because Allen didn’t make the strides we were expecting. Seats should be hot if that’s the case. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: Good discussion and great comments thus far. Most important : 1. Get OL figured out soon and give them time to jell. 2. Allen work with WRs and TEs - route timing and learn where his outlets will be. 3. Build a physical team that can run and stop the run - especially needed for last few months of a season Allen being the starter all offseason and through camp... is huge. He split reps with 2 other QBs last year. And it was a terrible terrible offense. Edited June 5, 2019 by dneveu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I'll take talented new players over marginal old players every time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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