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14 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

spain may not make it not make the final roster. they have been playing feliciano in morse's place so far in ota's.  that tells me he is going to make the roster.

 

obviously the starting experience goes to spain(who i believe played only lg) and is a more of a finesse player.  whereas, feliciano is a punch in the mouth guy with felxibility.

 

I think you haven't watched much Spain and they have also been starting Spain in OTAs and starting him at RG too before the thumb injury.

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36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think you haven't watched much Spain and they have also been starting Spain in OTAs and starting him at RG too before the thumb injury.

was it change of schemes that lead the titans to let him walk? did they have someone better?  why did he last long enough to make this deal with the bills?

 

i'm serious when i ask these questions.  between long, feliciano, spain and teller, do they keep 2 backups along with 2 backup tackles?

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7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

was it change of schemes that lead the titans to let him walk? did they have someone better?  why did he last long enough to make this deal with the bills?

 

i'm serious when i ask these questions.  between long, feliciano, spain and teller, do they keep 2 backups along with 2 backup tackles?

 

It was change of schemes (they went to a zone scheme last year and he is much better in man), he was their best guard they didn't have anyone better but they have a lot tied up in their two tackles and I think it was just the case they didn't want to tie money up in the offensive line. As for why he lasted a couple of weeks into free agency I don't know. Lesser players with bigger names - yes Roger Saffold I'm looking at you - went before him and got paid before him. I understand Spain's demands early in the process were pretty high and that was why originally the Bills passed and committed their cash to Feliciano (Long was a pre FA pickup who to me was signed to be the Ryan Groy replacement). Clearly Spain then decided that a one year prove it was the way to go.

 

As for what or who they keep..... I think they likely keep the three tackles, Morse and then Long, Spain and Feliciano. That is 7.  I think there are one maybe two spots up for grabs. I think they'd rather one of those was a tackle or a guy with tackle flex at least. Teller is going to have to perform to make the roster - I think he is a long shot. It was telling that before Spain's thumb injury the other three (all new to the team) were on the starting line and Teller was with the twos. If you look everywhere else the guy in possession (whether Zay at receiver or Wallace at corner has got the first shot over the FA pick ups).

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It was change of schemes (they went to a zone scheme last year and he is much better in man), he was their best guard they didn't have anyone better but they have a lot tied up in their two tackles and I think it was just the case they didn't want to tie money up in the offensive line. As for why he lasted a couple of weeks into free agency I don't know. Lesser players with bigger names - yes Roger Saffold I'm looking at you - went before him and got paid before him. I understand Spain's demands early in the process were pretty high and that was why originally the Bills passed and committed their cash to Feliciano (Long was a pre FA pickup who to me was signed to be the Ryan Groy replacement). Clearly Spain then decided that a one year prove it was the way to go.

 

As for what or who they keep..... I think they likely keep the three tackles, Morse and then Long, Spain and Feliciano. That is 7.  I think there are one maybe two spots up for grabs. I think they'd rather one of those was a tackle or a guy with tackle flex at least. Teller is going to have to perform to make the roster - I think he is a long shot. It was telling that before Spain's thumb injury the other three (all new to the team) were on the starting line and Teller was with the twos. If you look everywhere else the guy in possession (whether Zay at receiver or Wallace at corner has got the first shot over the FA pick ups).

Teller showed next to nothing in his opportunity last year.  He is going to have to make a big jump to earn a spot.  I think it is certainly possible, but the Bills clearly have questions  about him.

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23 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

That would be a huge mistake to dump a proven backup based upon the preseason performance of a UDFA rookie. They dropped AJ based on Late Nate Peterman's preseason performance, and look what happened. I would lose an enormous amount of confidence in McD, and Beanie if they failed to learn from that error.

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hopefully they have learned from that mistake.

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9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think that's crazy. You could see on the tape in the latter half of the season that teams were game planning to stop Foster. Safeties were shadowing him down field. I didn't ever see that kind of attention given to Zay. Foster is a threat to score a TD on every single play. Zay is a decent route runner but he has zero ability to make plays happen all on his own. Foster had his faults, especially early on, but his skill set is a nightmare to defend. I'll take the "limited" dynamic talent over the JAG with a full route tree.

Ignoring, for the moment, how each of these WRs improved by the end of last season (they both certainly did), which of the two would you consider the most versatile?

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4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Ignoring, for the moment, how each of these WRs improved by the end of last season (they both certainly did), which of the two would you consider the most versatile?

 

why ignore improvement?  one has a extra season and a full training camp being deamed a starter from day 1 the other was a udfa ROOKIE who earned his spot after being cut. its not apples to apples imo. 

   so why cant foster become more versatile this year? imo foster improved more quickly so i am not sure why his growth as just a fast deep threat specialist is where his talent starts and ends. i hope he can become reliable with versatility in his route tree this year because he has proven he can do what zay cant.. take the top off. 

answer to the question is zay but i dont think that means alot at this stage. 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

why ignore improvement?  one has a extra season and a full training camp being deamed a starter from day 1 the other was a udfa ROOKIE who earned his spot after being cut. its not apples to apples imo. 

   so why cant foster become more versatile this year? imo foster improved more quickly so i am not sure why his growth as just a fast deep threat specialist is where his talent starts and ends. i hope he can become reliable with versatility in his route tree this year because he has proven he can do what zay cant.. take the top off. 

answer to the question is zay but i dont think that means alot at this stage. 

 

 

No reason to ignore improvement, but I was debating HappyDays, and the amount they improved was a separate discussion from the point I was trying to make. I think they have both improved considerably. 

Be that as it may, I suspect that currently Zay is a more complete receiver, putting him slightly ahead of Foster. I could very well be wrong, of course. It's all conjecture at this time of year. But, I think that by the end of the season, HappyDay's statement that Zay "has zero ability to make plays happen all on his own," is dead wrong. Zay made some great clutch plays last season, and ran some well-designed crossing routes that got him wide open. 

I would not suggest for a second that Foster won't improve, or is anywhere near his ceiling. And, again, I believe they will both make the 53.

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14 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

No reason to ignore improvement, but I was debating HappyDays, and the amount they improved was a separate discussion from the point I was trying to make. I think they have both improved considerably. 

Be that as it may, I suspect that currently Zay is a more complete receiver, putting him slightly ahead of Foster. I could very well be wrong, of course. It's all conjecture at this time of year. But, I think that by the end of the season, HappyDay's statement that Zay "has zero ability to make plays happen all on his own," is dead wrong. Zay made some great clutch plays last season, and ran some well-designed crossing routes that got him wide open. 

I would not suggest for a second that Foster won't improve, or is anywhere near his ceiling. And, again, I believe they will both make the 53.

 

sorry to inject myself in the debate lol.

i just saw your previous post about how much zay has improved then you kinda said brown is a deep threat so there is no need for 2 fosters types and i thought you were discounting that foster has the exact same ability to improve and certainly proved coming back from the depths ps and being cut to make a major impact.

 i guess my point is if you feel foster is slightly behind zay seeing how zay has a year and most likey more intense coaching and chemistry playing with the ones from the start, thats a major statement in fosters accelerated growth.

 

Either way, the fact we are talking about this is a good problem to have. i certainly dont agree if happydays thinks zay is easily cut. he had a really rough rookie season but certainly has shown he is putting in the work and improved so i agree we will prob keep them both. 

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21 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

sorry to inject myself in the debate lol.

i just saw your previous post about how much zay has improved then you kinda said brown is a deep threat so there is no need for 2 fosters types and i thought you were discounting that foster has the exact same ability to improve and certainly proved coming back from the depths ps and being cut to make a major impact.

 i guess my point is if you feel foster is slightly behind zay seeing how zay has a year and most likey more intense coaching and chemistry playing with the ones from the start, thats a major statement in fosters accelerated growth.

 

Either way, the fact we are talking about this is a good problem to have. i certainly dont agree if happydays thinks zay is easily cut. he had a really rough rookie season but certainly has shown he is putting in the work and improved so i agree we will prob keep them both. 

I love how Zay spent a good portion of the offseason on his upper body, also. I think one of the knocks on him has been his ability to fight for the ball in tight coverage. Increasing his upper body strength should certainly help.

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On 5/29/2019 at 4:13 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Your OL is short an OT.  I think Waddle is a near lock with Ford, Dawkins, and Nsekhe.  I also dont think Feliciano is any more likely to get a roster spot than Teller. Long is probably more likely to beat out Bodine based on overall performance in the league, but Bodine was better than Long in 2018. Long when not injured is the better player. With Morse injury history I think the ability to play center will ultimately win Long a roster spot. If he is just a guard, then they will keep Bodine and it will be a battle between Long, Feliciano, and Teller for starter and backup opposite Spain.

I do NOT see Russell Bodine making the cut, barring injuries, mainly because Feliciano AND Long both have position flex AND ability that Bodine simply doesn't have. They are quality depth guys/borderline starters at OC AND OG, whereas Bodine is maybe barely serviceable depth at OC and definitely nothing more. 

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11 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I do NOT see Russell Bodine making the cut, barring injuries, mainly because Feliciano AND Long both have position flex AND ability that Bodine simply doesn't have. They are quality depth guys/borderline starters at OC AND OG, whereas Bodine is maybe barely serviceable depth at OC and definitely nothing more. 

Yeah I think you are probably correct. I didn't know Feliciano could play C too.  

Bodine however is a low grade starter at center. I would trade him for a middle linebacker.  

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10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yeah I think you are probably correct. I didn't know Feliciano could play C too.  

Bodine however is a low grade starter at center. I would trade him for a middle linebacker.  

A lot of people weren't aware, but Feliciano was the Raiders backup center during his time there. 

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Thanks Gunner

This has to the best offseason thread topic! Excellent summary. I imagine that there’s a big whiteboard at OBD that looks exactly like your list. What I find fascinating is the complete turnover of the Offense from training camp a year ago. Only Shady and Dawkins were starters then, and only the two of them plus Josh were even on the active roster. The 2019 Bills will be the very definition of a completely different team.

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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks Gunner

This has to the best offseason thread topic! Excellent summary. I imagine that there’s a big whiteboard at OBD that looks exactly like your list. What I find fascinating is the complete turnover of the Offense from training camp a year ago. Only Shady and Dawkins were starters then, and only the two of them plus Josh were even on the active roster. The 2019 Bills will be the very definition of a completely different team.

 

I did say at the start of last season that I thought only Shady and Dawkins (aside from the QB obviously) would be 2019 starters.... not just for the Bills but for anyone. 

 

The others who might threaten that are Zay (could still start for the Bills), Miller (could start in Cincy), Clay (could start in Arizona) and Mills (could start in Miami). But none of those are certain starters for their teams.

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20 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yeah I think you are probably correct. I didn't know Feliciano could play C too.  

Bodine however is a low grade starter at center. I would trade him for a middle linebacker.  

Depth or starter?  Who specifically?

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I can’t scroll through five pages to see if someone else mentioned it already, but LeSean McCoy is definitely not a lock to make this team.  I put his prospects at about 60/40.  There are a bunch of players in blue that have a better chance to make the team than McCoy.  He should absolutely 1000% be in blue at this stage.

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