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Does anyone believe that there are NFL Teams that want to tank this season for the top draft selection? I for one do.

 

The Raiders would seem to fit this description. The will be moving to Vegas so there is little gain for them to win this year. They got rid of Amari Cooper, and now they have Peterman lol! I can see them (and btw the Dolphins too) actually throwing in the towel to draft Tua in 2020. Why not add a huge name to draw bigger fan interest and ticket sales?

 

 This thread isn't completely about Tua mind you. He could (God forbid) have a bad year or get hurt. I mean it is possible but even at that, the 2020 draft looks to be amazing. I am mainly just curious as to how many of you think that a team really would intentionally tank to get a better draft position.

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Just now, Bill from NYC said:

Does anyone believe that there are NFL Teams that want to tank this season for the top draft selection? I for one do.

 

The Raiders would seem to fit this description. The will be moving to Vegas so there is little gain for them to win this year. They got rid of Amari Cooper, and now they have Peterman lol! I can see them (and btw the Dolphins too) actually throwing in the towel to draft Tua in 2020. Why not add a huge name to draw bigger fan interest and ticket sales?

 

 This thread isn't completely about Tua mind you. He could (God forbid) have a bad year or get hurt. I mean it is possible but even at that, the 2020 draft looks to be amazing. I am mainly just curious as to how many of you think that a team really would intentionally tank to get a better draft position.

 

Yeah Bill, but they added AB.  Imagine that ***** show if they tank?

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Just now, Doc said:

 

Yeah Bill, but they added AB.  Imagine that ***** show if they tank?

Very good point. Let's see how much fun he has playing for that team. :)

 

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3 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Does anyone believe that there are NFL Teams that want to tank this season for the top draft selection? I for one do.

 

The Raiders would seem to fit this description. The will be moving to Vegas so there is little gain for them to win this year. They got rid of Amari Cooper, and now they have Peterman lol! I can see them (and btw the Dolphins too) actually throwing in the towel to draft Tua in 2020. Why not add a huge name to draw bigger fan interest and ticket sales?

 

 This thread isn't completely about Tua mind you. He could (God forbid) have a bad year or get hurt. I mean it is possible but even at that, the 2020 draft looks to be amazing. I am mainly just curious as to how many of you think that a team really would intentionally tank to get a better draft position.

If Allen struggles in camp and pre-season, you can bet that there will be a rallying cry from the fans and local media (especially Howard Simon) for the Bills to "Tank for Tua."

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3 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

If Allen struggles in camp and pre-season, you can bet that there will be a rallying cry from the fans and local media (especially Howard Simon) for the Bills to "Tank for Tua."

At this point,, I would not bet against Allen and Daboll.

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I am not convinced yet on Tua. As for teams tanking..   Miami and Cincy are top of my list. I actually think Oakland will be improved. Not good yet, but better. 

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The "Matt Barkley" potential on Tua is very high IMO, ie media builds him up to be sure #1 pick years in advance, then ends up going much later.

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Last year was their tanking year. They're trying to win this year. Miami is trying to tank.

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Imo, the only guy in college worth tanking for is Lawrence

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I don't like Tua, I don't think he will be a franchise type player. Same with Murry I think Arizona screwed up. But I'm not an expert so ignore my ramblings lol

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9 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Tua is a bum. Next.

So is Howard Simon.  Unlike Mr. T., he cannot blame bad broadcasts on CTE related issues.

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Imo, the only guy in college worth tanking for is Lawrence

If there’s a Blutarsky, he’s got my vote for ‘tank’ mode.

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CTE, not CTI. Who’s the dummy now? 😁

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13 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

If Allen struggles in camp and pre-season, you can bet that there will be a rallying cry from the fans and local media (especially Howard Simon) for the Bills to "Tank for Tua."

Highly doubtful. In fact, I call complete BS. By the time camp and preseason are thru, Tua will not have even played a game this year. Nobody knows if he's gonna fall of a cliff, or rise to elite and can't miss status

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13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Imo, the only guy in college worth tanking for is Lawrence

 

If Josh sucks this year I am for full tank in 2020 to be in position for Lawrence. I think that kid would be in the top half of the league for QBs right now. 

 

Edit: I should say I am not expecting Josh to suck. I think he will take a step forward. 

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25 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Does anyone believe that there are NFL Teams that want to tank this season for the top draft selection? I for one do.

 

The Raiders would seem to fit this description. The will be moving to Vegas so there is little gain for them to win this year. They got rid of Amari Cooper, and now they have Peterman lol! I can see them (and btw the Dolphins too) actually throwing in the towel to draft Tua in 2020. Why not add a huge name to draw bigger fan interest and ticket sales?

 

 This thread isn't completely about Tua mind you. He could (God forbid) have a bad year or get hurt. I mean it is possible but even at that, the 2020 draft looks to be amazing. I am mainly just curious as to how many of you think that a team really would intentionally tank to get a better draft position.

 

If you're going to tank, tank in 2021 for Lawrence!

 

But hope the Fish do tank for Tua as that may likely be good for the Bills!

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9 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

But hope the Fish do tank for Tua as that may likely be good for the Bills!

Yeah, 245/355 (69.9%) - 43 TDs/6 Ints. - 199.5 Passer Rating - 2nd in Heisman Voting.....

 

That really sucks and will help the Bills!

 

Great :lol::rolleyes::thumbsup:

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29 minutes ago, MJS said:

Last year was their tanking year. They're trying to win this year. Miami is trying to tank.

Then they shouldn’t have added Fitz. Fitz is what he is but he will win some games if he’s the starter.

 

honestly, I don’t think teams really tank in the nfl.  It’s a year to year league and too many jobs are on the line.  People thought the Jets were going to be awful in 2016 and they won 10 games.  If you go half speed in the nfl, you will get hurt.  

 

That said, you’re better off being really bad than being 6 or 7 win team. 

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40 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Highly doubtful. In fact, I call complete BS. By the time camp and preseason are thru, Tua will not have even played a game this year. Nobody knows if he's gonna fall of a cliff, or rise to elite and can't miss status

Doesn't matter.  Fans will point to him coming off the bench to lead Alabama to a title and his stats from last season (43 TDs, 6 INTs) as justification for tanking for him.

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56 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

The "Matt Barkley" potential on Tua is very high IMO, ie media builds him up to be sure #1 pick years in advance, then ends up going much later.

Very much agree.  He’s played poorly in the few games in which Alabama was not able to completely out-match its opponent.  I’m not even convinced Tua’s a first-rounder.

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55 minutes ago, NewCastleFanBills said:

I don't like Tua, I don't think he will be a franchise type player. Same with Murry I think Arizona screwed up. But I'm not an expert so ignore my ramblings lol

I feel the same way. Although I feel Rosen will be a journeyman too. Murray will be a failure too in my opinion. Probably should have traded down.

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12 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Doesn't matter.  Fans will point to him coming off the bench to lead Alabama to a title and his stats from last season (43 TDs, 6 INTs) as justification for tanking for him.

JA made big strides last year. McBeane are not gonna operate like Arizona. I think the fans know that, and thus will not be clamouring to start over after the preseason knowing the investment  the Bills have made in JA and the improvements to the team in general. JMO

Its called learning curve, not give you one preseason and you're out...

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4 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

JA made big strides last year. McBeane are not gonna operate like Arizona. I think the fans know that, and thus will not be clamouring to start over after the preseason knowing the investment  the Bills have made in JA and the improvements to the team in general. JMO

Its called learning curve, not give you one preseason and you're out...

Agreed but you see a noticeable improvement in year 2.  I think it’s insane how quickly we give up on young QBs but it is the reality.  As Sal C said, if Allen doesn’t have a Mitch Tribusky type year, it might be tome to get a little worried.  

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22 minutes ago, mannc said:

Very much agree.  He’s played poorly in the few games in which Alabama was not able to completely out-match its opponent.  I’m not even convinced Tua’s a first-rounder.

Yes, he really sucked against LSU, Auburn and Oklahoma.

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24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Agreed but you see a noticeable improvement in year 2.  I think it’s insane how quickly we give up on young QBs but it is the reality.  As Sal C said, if Allen doesn’t have a Mitch Tribusky type year, it might be tome to get a little worried.  

Agreed on that premise. But not after preseason

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36 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yes, he really sucked against LSU, Auburn and Oklahoma.

I would say that talent-wise, Auburn and Oklahoma (especially on defense) were thoroughly outmatched by Alabama.  (I did not see the LSU game, but I'll concede that LSU has plenty of NFL-caliber talent.)   The fact is, against the two best teams Alabama played last year (GA and Clemson), he played poorly.  If I was an NFL scout, I'd be concerned about that.  In general, I think Alabama QBs are tough to evaluate because the talent level on that team is through the roof every single year.   

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