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Is There Any Position That The Bills Got Worse In The Offseason?

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...VERY concerned nobody has earned the "TBD Bust" moniker this late in.......are we witnessing "membership lethargy"?.....something ain't passin' the "smell test" here....

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42 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

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Worse huh?

 

All part of The Plan to get Oliver where we did. He was in on it!   😋

 

 

you know......maybe.....

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2 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Can't we have at least one cheerleader ?

 

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2 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Lol at everyone saying TE. Clay was horrible last year. 

 

Yep, Clay was bad.  After him there was no one.

I think TE and WR are the positions we'll see the largest improvement in this year.  Last year was bad in both positions.

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8 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

According to Vic Carucci (link below), the Bills got better at QB, RB, Rec/TE, OL, DL, ST and stayed the same at LB and Secondary, didn't get worse in any position grouping. I tend to agree, but of course as others have said, we won't know till the games start. Impossible to predict when players slow down to the point of being ineffective or how soon a rookie or other young player starts living up to their potential (or if they ever will live up to expectations). This was also written before this week's injury report, but I don't think that would have changed the receiver/TE combination assessment. 

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/05/20/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-sean-mcdermott-brandon-beane-vic-carucci-nfl-football/

 

I disagree with his secondary assessment, but agree on the rest. 

 

After Davis walked out halfway through the Charger game, CB2 was a revolving door. . Wallace settled it down in the second half of the season. Gaines, Wallace, and K Johnson make it better, and taron Johnson will be better in year 2 as well. They also have more depth at S. 

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1 hour ago, Chill said:

TE is worse with Clay gone. You could argue D Line with Williams retiring. 

 

Other than that,  we have improved. Beane sacrificed last year for results this year and in the future. Of course he knows what’s he’s doing. 

 

I don't know how anyone can think we're worse off with our current group then with Clay... 

 

Oliver is likely an upgrade talent wise, but losing experience and leadership is definitely a downgrade there. 

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1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I'm not sure we got any better at the RB position. If you had to choose, this would be my pick. 

 

Incomplete currently. I'm telling you, Gore is gonna go OJ Anderson for us............

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Good question. I think every position is either a solid upgrade (every position group on offensive, DL, CB) or a wash (outside LB, safety,kicking )

However, this answer will always be driven by injuries . Last year, we were fairly fortunate with health. But an injury to Tremaine makes us worse at MLB. An injury to Tre'Davious makes us worse at CB. Added depth at O'Line and WR makes it almost a lock we have to be better there regardless.

 

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2 hours ago, r00tabaga said:

TE

OLB

DAnderson retiring hurts a little too.

 

Maybe.... watching him play hurt a lot though. 

 

 

As for where they got worse...I’m going DT. Kyle was s stud, and was one of the best on the field at the position.  

 

There was certainly an effort to address it, but it’s all unproven at this stage 

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2 hours ago, Chill said:

TE is worse with Clay gone. You could argue D Line with Williams retiring. 

 

Other than that,  we have improved. Beane sacrificed last year for results this year and in the future. Of course he knows what’s he’s doing. 

I understand your thoughts.  But, disagree on Clay.  I think the uncertainty of his health, lack of practice time and the ability for others to get consistent reps will have us better st the position.  IF Clay was making a solid impact on game days which I don’t think he did I would lean towards your direction.

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1 hour ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Lol at everyone saying TE. Clay was horrible last year. 

Right!?  It is as clear as day!  He was absolutely useless last year.  It is not even debatable.

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Not many positions TBH.  The only one they clearly got worse at was TE.    Probably DT.  (Nothing against Oliver, but KW will not be easy to replace)  Maybe RB with Shady getting a year older.

 

The team looks better or the same everywhere else.  The question will be was it money well spent.  Because the one spot the Bills ARE worse in now is salary cap.  (Not that they are in a bad spot they just don't have 100mil to spend anymore)    My way too early answer to that question is in most cases it looks like the money was spent well.  But we'll know in a year or so.  

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No.

 

Maybe equal at TE, RB and DL but all other positions should be improved.

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It's clear they've improved at individual positions, although to which degree remains to be seen.  Yet, to go from 6-10 to a 10-6 or 11-5 is a big leap in the NFL requires an entire team playing well.   

 

The question is, how much have they improved and are the offensive improvements going to facilitate Josh Allen taking a big step toward becoming a top NFL QB.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, jletha said:

Oliver is a stud but hes still a rookie, no chance he can 1:1 replace Kyle.

 

I actually don't agree. He won't replace Kyle in the locker room but on the field Kyle wasn't himself the past couple seasons. Oliver could conceivably come in and improve on what we had last year. No disrespect to Kyle intended.

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3 hours ago, Chill said:

TE is worse with Clay gone. You could argue D Line with Williams retiring. 

 

Other than that,  we have improved. Beane sacrificed last year for results this year and in the future. Of course he knows what’s he’s doing. 

I don't know about TE. Clay wasn't a threat at all last year. Not saying we are way better, we will have to see but I felt like Allen had no confidence in clay, he was the opposite of a safety blanket. I have hope for Knox if he gets a chance, he's a young guy with passion, so is Allen. Get 2 young athletes feeding off of each other's fire could be cool to watch.

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3 hours ago, BubbaT said:

Can we watch a real game first before  commenting?

 

Why are you reading the forum in May with this attitude? What are you expecting to read?

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The obvious answer is TE. We were bad last year and not landing a "Hockenson" and Krofts injury puts us in a terrible TE position. 

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13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The obvious answer is TE. We were bad last year and not landing a "Hockenson" and Krofts injury puts us in a terrible TE position. 

 

IDK, we lost Clay, but he didn’t do much. Neither Hockenson nor Kroft were on the team last year, so we didn’t go backwards there. Consider that Kroft will be back, and the other additions in the draft plus Smith for blocking, and I don’t think we are any worse off. Do I hope our talent surprises? Sure, but I don’t think we regressed. 

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3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

IDK, we lost Clay, but he didn’t do much. Neither Hockenson nor Kroft were on the team last year, so we didn’t go backwards there. Consider that Kroft will be back, and the other additions in the draft plus Smith for blocking, and I don’t think we are any worse off. Do I hope our talent surprises? Sure, but I don’t think we regressed. 

Even if Kroft didn't get hurt, I wasn't holding my breath for any compelling production from these TE's. Make a trade for Rudolph then you get my attention. 

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