KRC Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Let's be real here. He is not a reliable source for what happened on the call. I need second or third-hand information before I can believe anything. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hedge Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 hours ago, B-Man said: Sergeant-at-arms, when you introduce me, can you introduce me as Speaker? . Photoshopped. Drunken vampires don't have reflections. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TakeYouToTasker Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Yeah. Fox News might actually be coming back to reality a little bit and the conspiracy theorists Hannity and Inghram losing some steam with guys like Chris Wallace and Shep Smith getting it back. 6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: 48 dem, 12 ind... Polls are not used to gauge public opinion. They are a PsyOp used to drive public sentiment. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: I read somewhere that amongst Republicans, Trump has a 95% approval rating. Add up the Independents who don't want their healthcare insurance taken away, illegal aliens to get free healthcare and an open border policy and the economy to fall apart and I think Trump wins 2020. Toss in the union democrats who feel Trump is standing up for them and I smell a shellacking. There's one reason and one reason only that the dems and media are fighting so hard for trying to damage Trump through this fake impeachment. They know they can't beat Trump. The opposition can keep making all this noise but I'm sitting back and saying, "we'll see". I saw a statistic yesterday that 32% of black voters would vote Trump over a generic Democrat candidate. If that is even close to being true, it's going to be an annihilation. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Just to show it visually... From the Presidential propaganda machine itself. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-october-6-8-2019 Oversampling democrats. 48% democrats to 40 % republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 hours ago, KRC said: Let's be real here. He is not a reliable source for what happened on the call. I need second or third-hand information before I can believe anything. If you want to be really believable you need to confirm your suspicions with a well placed rumor. How can you represent the MSM without confirming the newfound facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Albwan said: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-october-6-8-2019 Oversampling democrats. 48% democrats to 40 % republican. It's not oversampling. There's a reason for that number. I'm confident you can figure it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: It's not oversampling. There's a reason for that number. I'm confident you can figure it out. There is. To mislead. (and push an agenda/build a narrative that isn't rooted in reality) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: It's not oversampling. There's a reason for that number. I'm confident you can figure it out. That might take some independent thought. Hopefully he's a real independent thinker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Albwan said: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-october-6-8-2019 Oversampling democrats. 48% democrats to 40 % republican. More people lean left than right in this country so it's not oversampling. A democratic candidate got more votes in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. The way the electoral college works and voter enthusiasm makes these polls mostly useless though unless it's a large majority. Edited October 11, 2019 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: If you want to be really believable you need to confirm your suspicions with a well placed rumor. How can you represent the MSM without confirming the newfound facts? Feed the media a story, then use the media story to confirm that you are telling the truth. That is how you prove that you are correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: More people lean left than right in this country so it's not oversampling. A democratic candidate got more votes in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. The way the electoral college works and voter enthusiasm makes these polls mostly useless though unless it's a large majority. FTA: How did the Fox polling unit come up with this number? The Fox news polling companies interviewed 1,003 registered voters, ostensibly throughout the length and breadth of the United States. Many polling companies use either all adult Americans (254 million) or registered voters (158 million in 2016) as their universe for polling. Obviously, the greater the number of potential people to contact and question, the easier a poll is to complete and to skew a result. In reality, what matters is who votes in an election. In 2016, 86% (or 136.6 million) of registered voters cast a vote. A poll of likely voters would inherently be more reliable but more difficult to achieve. Currently, only Rasmussen among national polls uses exclusively likely voters and they are among the most reliable. As the issue of impeachment is overtly political, the political make-up of the respondents in any poll is critical. In this recent Fox poll, 48% of those polled claimed to be Democrats, 40% Republican, and 12% independent. However, as Gallup points out in its most recent research, 31% of all Americans identify as Democrats, 29% as Republican and 38% as independent. Ideally, all polls, as does Rasmussen, should strive to reflect that political affiliation dichotomy or as close as possible, considering the difficulty in finding people willing to be polled and be honest in their responses. Therefore, the Fox poll, with its political make-up of respondents, is manipulated to come up with a desired result. The issue isn't the difference between the number of Democrat and Republican respondents, but the gross undercounting of independents and the massive overcounting of Democrats. Over the past three months to date, in a variety of polls, an average of nearly 84% of all Democrats favored the impeachment of Donald Trump. Therefore, when Fox uses 48% Democrat registered voters, the poll immediately, before taking into account any other group, will indicate 41% in favor of impeachment and removal. Thus, to get to 51%, only 20% of those identifying as Republican or independents in this poll would have to be in favor of impeachment. However, if Fox had used the actual political breakdown of 32% of Americans identifying as Democrats, then instead of an immediate impact of 41% in the result, it would have been 27%, or 14 percentage points less. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/what_makes_foxs_trump_impeachment_poll_totally_unrealiable.html . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 However, as Gallup points out in its most recent research, 31% of all Americans identify as Democrats, 29% as Republican and 38% as independent. Cool I'm in the majority ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: There is. To mislead. (and push an agenda/build a narrative that isn't rooted in reality) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Where is the Federalist Society in all this? Why have they not spoken out for the rule of law and justice? Shows what a right wing hack job that society is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, ALF said: However, as Gallup points out in its most recent research, 31% of all Americans identify as Democrats, 29% as Republican and 38% as independent. Cool I'm in the majority ? 31% is now a majority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Purely anecdotal, but was working from home yesterday and I received 5 freakin' auto-dial calls from "Central Research" asking if they could conduct an opinion poll. Waited for a live person and told them to add us to their 'Do Not Call' list then hung up. I have a sneaking suspicion that they aren't adding my number to the list, rat bastards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Where is the Federalist Society in all this? Why have they not spoken out for the rule of law and justice? Who funds the Federalist Society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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