BeginnersMind Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Going through the college process right now and it's astonishing how different it is in many ways. The question on everyone's lips is "Are you a first generation college student?" Because if you are, boy do colleges want you! Add this news, that the SATs are adding something called an Adversity Score this year. (The ACTs have one coming, so no worries: All the tests will have it soon.) It will take into account the following factors to give a weighted score for admissions offices: I couple the above with this WaPo article (I can't read this today because I'm over the 2-per month article limit) about how colleges are struggling to keep their first generation college students in school. As I recall the article, students are struggling in spite of having a lot of support network. It turns out (shocker!) that they just weren't quite ready to be at Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 So, if they score high/low? enough do they just get handed their diploma or do they actually have to attend some classes first - you know - like Obama did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Nanker said: So, if they score high/low? enough do they just get handed their diploma or do they actually have to attend some classes first - you know - like Obama did. Not sure why you are Obama-obsessed but he was very book-learned. The schools are struggling with the unprepared applicants though. Edited May 16, 2019 by BeginnersMind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Not sure why you are Obama-obsessed but he was very book-learned. The schools are struggling with the unprepared applicants though. I heard Obama knew lots of words. Great words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Corpse man 57 States Hawaii is in Asia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 "It was then that Diana Moon Clampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Going through the college process right now and it's astonishing how different it is in many ways. The question on everyone's lips is "Are you a first generation college student?" Because if you are, boy do colleges want you! Add this news, that the SATs are adding something called an Adversity Score this year. (The ACTs have one coming, so no worries: All the tests will have it soon.) It will take into account the following factors to give a weighted score for admissions offices: I couple the above with this WaPo article (I can't read this today because I'm over the 2-per month article limit) about how colleges are struggling to keep their first generation college students in school. As I recall the article, students are struggling in spite of having a lot of support network. It turns out (shocker!) that they just weren't quite ready to be at Harvard. Free lunch rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Yet this is the face of Harvard adversity: ad·ver·si·ty /ədˈvərsədē/ noun difficulties; misfortune. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 What scholarly papers, tomes, or books did this POS author? What proof - other than Michael Beschloss’s bizarre proclamation that “he’s quite possibly the most intelligent President we’ve ever had.” The jug-eared stuttering doofus was constantly tongue tied when he was without a TelePrompter. He’s a vacuous self-aggrandizing fool with delusions of grandeur. I used to call him Pitney Swope, but he’s really more a mix of that and Chauncey Gardner. Now were here finding out - to little surprise- that he’s been selling out the country on the scales of the Clintonista regime. ***** them all. I’m tired of this *****. And I’m tired of playing nice. Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Umm, yeah. Transfer to a Compton HS for graduation... This is my new company's purpose. To relocate HS seniors to the ghettos of LA for graduation. Haha. Wtf is going on with the world? This sex strike since aborion laws started kicking back the infanticide laws is crazy, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) Edited May 17, 2019 by unbillievable 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 6:33 AM, BeginnersMind said: Going through the college process right now and it's astonishing how different it is in many ways. The question on everyone's lips is "Are you a first generation college student?" Because if you are, boy do colleges want you! Add this news, that the SATs are adding something called an Adversity Score this year. (The ACTs have one coming, so no worries: All the tests will have it soon.) It will take into account the following factors to give a weighted score for admissions offices: I couple the above with this WaPo article (I can't read this today because I'm over the 2-per month article limit) about how colleges are struggling to keep their first generation college students in school. As I recall the article, students are struggling in spite of having a lot of support network. It turns out (shocker!) that they just weren't quite ready to be at Harvard. i have not researched this at all yet, but have been saying for a decade race should not be used for set-asides atc in higher education, income should be. So on the surface, i like this. BTW, I pay for WAPO, but in chrome just go over to the little menu thingee, hit open an incognito window..and voila..no 2 article limit! 14 hours ago, DC Tom said: Free lunch rate? not sure if you are serious, but a huge indicator typically of a schools performance on standardized tests. More free lunches, lower incomes, more single-parent households, less parent involvement, more likely to not have college-educated parent(s), higher costs per student etc...all lead to lower test scores across the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 If a student can’t score well on a standardized test what exactly are they going to be doing in college? Until college is free (which I don’t support) this is just another recipe for DISASTER for the ‘underserved’ population. Now they’ll have wasted another six months to a year of their lives before defaulting on loans for a degree they never got. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) As an aside, who was the first to use the term "soft bigotry/racism of low expectations?" Edited May 17, 2019 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 23 hours ago, LeviF91 said: "It was then that Diana Moon Clampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun." Awesome reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Going through the college process? What is going to be your major? Did you do prom? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: If a student can’t score well on a standardized test what exactly are they going to be doing in college? Until college is free (which I don’t support) this is just another recipe for DISASTER for the ‘underserved’ population. Now they’ll have wasted another six months to a year of their lives before defaulting on loans for a degree they never got. Brilliant! because many a standardized test are a reflection of the education you have received to date, and not necessarily indicative of your capability to learn and the grades you may be able to achieve. My kids got every advantage in the world, top-flight prep school, tutors for subjects, tutors specifically for standardized tests, ability to take the test numerous times etc, ability to pay a psychiatrist to certify my sons ADD and apply for accommodations on the test($1,000) Tutors alone gained my daughter 7 points on the ACT( started at 24, ended at 31). Compare that to a kid in a single family home, no experience in the family with college, only decent meals may be at school, 1 shot at taking the test, no tutors, and less than stellar resources at the school to teach the curriculum required on the tests. Do you really think that standardized test reflects the relative ability of both groups? Edited May 17, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/16/2019 at 8:38 AM, LeviF91 said: "It was then that Diana Moon Clampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun." I had to look this up, but this is not even close to applicable. IThis is more akin to saying in a year, we are going to have a golf match to see who the better golfer is. between two kids .One kid gets to train and practice every day for a year with a top-flight swing coach, a sports psychiatrist, and the best clubs money can buy, and oh BTW has two parents who grew up with golf. The other kid gets to practice once a week on a driving range with 30-year-old clubs with Levi as his instructor, and whos Mom has never watched one hole of golf in her life....wonder who statistically has a better chance to win that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: because many a standardized test are a reflection of the education you have received to date, and not necessarily indicative of your capability to learn and the grades you may be able to achieve. My kids got every advantage in the world, top-flight prep school, tutors for subjects, tutors specifically for standardized tests, ability to take the test numerous times etc. Tutors alone gained my daughter 7 points on the ACT( started at 24, ended at 31). Compare that to a kid in a single family home, no experience in the family with college, only decent meals may be at school, 1 shot at taking the test, no tutors, and less than stellar resources at the school to teach the curriculum required on the tests. Do you really think that standardized test reflects the relative ability of both groups? Measurement of current academic ability level? Probably not that terrible of a measurement tool. Measurement of potential academic ability level? Terrible tool. But the place to make up for lack of access to better academic education is not starting as a freshman in college accepting admissions and scholarships in place of students that have demonstrated that they are currently prepared for the challenge. This only increases the number of kids starting in college academically behind their peers and the college's academic norms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe Miner said: Measurement of current academic ability level? Probably not that terrible of a measurement tool. Measurement of potential academic ability level? Terrible tool. But the place to make up for lack of access to better academic education is not starting as a freshman in college accepting admissions and scholarships in place of students that have demonstrated that they are currently prepared for the challenge. This only increases the number of kids starting in college academically behind their peers and the college's academic norms. all good points, and am not sure of the answer. As the WAPO article noted, first generation and many minority students face challenges in college that others do not..and some are addressing those issues with innovative programs. But you are correct, when you start out behind academically, it can be a tough row to hoe to get get caught uo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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