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The most encouraging rookie camp observation that I saw

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3 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

If you don't think this is how it will play out, then perception history of every franchise must be wrong.

 

..so then EVERY GM who selected a QB in 2018 draft as well as 2019 for that matter should know their azz is on the line for ONE pick....if you say so.....SMH....

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Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

..so then EVERY GM who selected a QB in 2018 draft as well as 2019 for that matter should know their azz is on the line for ONE pick....if you say so.....SMH....

 

Name all of the GMs since the NFL became a passing league who have been considered great without a stellar QB, and the reverse.

Whether any of us think it's a fair way to evaluate a GM, that is almost always how it plays out. I'm surprised anyone wouldn't believe that.

If Josh Allen becomes a legit stud at QB, almost everyone here will think Beane has done a good job.

If Allen fails, most people here will want Beane gone. Again, it may or may not be fair, but it's reality. 

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3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I presume if the opposite occurs you would agree both are successes?   Or maybe not.

 

No, that is your logic and assumption. Just because a caterpillar can turn into a butterfly does not mean the opposite is the case. 

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28 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Name all of the GMs since the NFL became a passing league who have been considered great without a stellar QB, and the reverse.

Whether any of us think it's a fair way to evaluate a GM, that is almost always how it plays out. I'm surprised anyone wouldn't believe that.

If Josh Allen becomes a legit stud at QB, almost everyone here will think Beane has done a good job.

If Allen fails, most people here will want Beane gone. Again, it may or may not be fair, but it's reality. 

 

Yeah I agree.   Elway is a good example of someone who has made some decent moves but if he doesn't finally land a stellar qb in the next few years he's getting replaced.

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3 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

The Castillo hire underwhelming along with a lot McDermotts initial staff. 

I remember reading some good things about Castillo.  I wonder if he's just getting tired of the grind.  Coaching is a grind to be sure.  McDermott has shifted in his assistant hires from targeting experience to youth, enthusiasm, and a hands on style for his position coaches.  I think the point of hiring experience was to feel a little more secure as a new head coach hire.  Now, having a little experience of his own he's developing a taste for what he likes in his position coaches.

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1 hour ago, aceman_16 said:

So four out of 27. Okay I was just curious how many "a lot" was to some people to fit narratives.

 

I don’t recall saying a lot but you asked for him to elaborate so I threw some names out there off the top of my head.

 

I couldn’t tell you how many coaches from McD’s initial staff are still on the team or even still coaching for that matter.

 

Regardless, his initial offensive staff was largely a big pile of 💩 

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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Tiger -

 

thanks for the post and the link.  there's lots of good stuff in that article.

 

 the picture of Singletary, Oliver and Ford together is interesting.  Ford is a giant!

 

....and Singletary....is not. 

 

In teresting (and encouraging) to hear him called the best player on the field. I know, that doesn’t mean anything on day one of rookie camp in May, but it still makes me want to get a look at him in a game. 

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1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

As you probably know, no HC hires his dream staff his first year in the saddle.  The best coordinators and position coaches are typically employed and under contract.   When he came to the Bills, McD hired the best unwanted castoffs that were available.

 

Over time, he'll continue to build his staff.   This season, it sure feels like we have upgrades at the QB and OL coaching positions.  

?

 

This is a terrible excuse.

 

Not sure if Kromer wasn't interested but keeping him on board would've made A LOT more sense than hiring Castillo. Kromer is an excellent O Line coach. 

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3 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Completely agree.  I think Leslie Frazier may be the only initial staff still with the team, and he too underwhelms.

I once felt that way about Leslie

 I no longer do.
He is executing the design nicely.
Full court press to address the Offense this year gets my thumbs up.

1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

I remember reading some good things about Castillo.  I wonder if he's just getting tired of the grind.  Coaching is a grind to be sure.  McDermott has shifted in his assistant hires from targeting experience to youth, enthusiasm, and a hands on style for his position coaches.  I think the point of hiring experience was to feel a little more secure as a new head coach hire.  Now, having a little experience of his own he's developing a taste for what he likes in his position coaches.

nailed it !

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2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....and no one declared a "bust" yet on TBD??....somethin' ain't passin' the smell test........

 

well, Knox bobbled and dropped his 1st catch attempt, so...

 BUST! 

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1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

I remember reading some good things about Castillo.  I wonder if he's just getting tired of the grind.  Coaching is a grind to be sure.  McDermott has shifted in his assistant hires from targeting experience to youth, enthusiasm, and a hands on style for his position coaches.  I think the point of hiring experience was to feel a little more secure as a new head coach hire.  Now, having a little experience of his own he's developing a taste for what he likes in his position coaches.

Always a good idea to change your taste for coaches when your first set of hires are big flops.👍🏻

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14 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

well, Knox bobbled and dropped his 1st catch attempt, so...

 BUST! 

... goner now...call the leader in "gettin' outta town".....

 

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30 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I once felt that way about Leslie

 I no longer do.
He is executing the design nicely.
Full court press to address the Offense this year gets my thumbs up.

 

 

I''ll admit this, after the bye week (week 11), things got a lot better as far as the defense goes.  It is still kind of concerning how the defense let the Dolphins score 21 and the Jets 27 or Dec 2 and 9, respectively.  I'll give Frazier this year, as well as McDermott, before I get too critical on both.  For the attention that was paid to the defense in 2017 and 2018 by the FO, it should have been better than it was.  But we'll see...

 

Offense was in desperate need to be addressed, so that was good to see.  i still think we're short a DE/edge; and please don't count on Trent Murphy since that is setting up for disappointment.

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5 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

The most encouraging rookie camp observation.....

 

.....full participation and no injuries ?

Shhh!

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Different people have different teaching styles. As long as the coach can get his point across and the players improve, it doesn't much make a difference how. 

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6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I presume if the opposite occurs you would agree both are successes?   Or maybe not.

 

Just Win, baby

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...FIFTY in attendance...pretty damn impressive......will hang up now and wait for multiple TBD "camp fodder" yips to ring in.....

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5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

His initial coaching staff on offense was Dennison as OC, Castillo as o-line coach, Culley as QB coach and McGeoghan as WR coach. 

I mean I think that is fair the d has been good the o not good and that does constitute a lot

 

i will say that McDonald’s shows the abilirlty to admit mistakes and make changes

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4 hours ago, NewEra said:

For sure. The Castillo hiring was the only hiring that I opening loathed and challenged.  His work as OL and run game coordinator was awful.  As run game coordinator for the ravens in 2013, they averaged a league low 3.1 per attempt, ranked around the middle of the pack in attempts while finishing with the 3rd lowest rushing yards.  His OL in Baltimore had way more talent than we did imo.  It was inevitable that he would either be fired or McD would lose his job because he kept him.  

He must be a HELLUVA guy because he's AWFUL at coaching OL/run game and Andy Reid gave him run at DC! Just an awful, awful coach.

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21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I mean I think that is fair the d has been good the o not good and that does constitute a lot

 

i will say that McDonald’s shows the abilirlty to admit mistakes and make changes

 

I don’t know what the other options were going into the first season, and I’m sure people can throw out some names, but you’re operating at a disadvantage having to fill a staff in a hurry. Given time and as more guys become available, I’d expect some upgrades, and it seems like we have that. 

 

And the ability to admit mistakes and move on is vastly underrated! 

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7 hours ago, ganesh said:

Now it is up to Allen and McCoy to show up on game day against a better OL.  We simply cannot run an offense when your QB has the most rushing yards in the season

 

I think Allen's rushing yards and our run game are two entirely different things.  To lump them together, IMO, isn't an indication of why Allen lead the team nor why we had such a poor rushing attack.  

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Always a good idea to change your taste for coaches when your first set of hires are big flops.👍🏻

 

 

also goes without saying, but I will say it anyways, that the perfect coaches for all positions were not available when Sean was hired, therefore the coaching staff is still being finalized. When certain areas of the team underwhelm or fail and better coaches become available whom want to come here, the swap out are made

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3 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

 

Yeah I agree.   Elway is a good example of someone who has made some decent moves but if he doesn't finally land a stellar qb in the next few years he's getting replaced.

 

Elway lucked out with Manning and has been looking for his replacement since 2012 (Osweiler).

This Flacco/Lock thing is his last chance with Donkey fans, and that's what they said last year!

LOL

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3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

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This is a terrible excuse.

 

Not sure if Kromer wasn't interested but keeping him on board would've made A LOT more sense than hiring Castillo. Kromer is an excellent O Line coach. 

They did make the playoffs with a garbage team the first year...do none of the coaches get any credit for that?  And at least they are willing to admit mistakes and correct them quickly.  It's like some fans expect every move to be the right move or they should be fired.  Just unrealistic expectations.  

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8 hours ago, TigerJ said:

From the Syracuse Post Standard on offensive line coach, Bobby Johnson:

 

4. Bobby Johnson looks like significant upgrade at OL coach

Juan Castillo wasn't a bad coach by any stretch but he wasn't very noticeable. Not all great coaches are animated or loud, but the good ones are engaged and energetic. Bobby Johnson's first practice as Bills offensive line coach was impressive. He seemed to connect with players and brought some juice. That's going to be important for a group that dramatically underperformed in 2018.

http://expo.newyorkupstate.com/sports/g66l-2019/05/ec59a0212c4c4/buffalo-bills-rookie-camp-2019-7-observations-on-ed-oliver-cody-ford-and-more.html

 

If you add better players, which the Bills did, you should get better offensive line play.  If you add a better coach, which the Bills apparently did, you should get improved offensive line play.  If you add both, maybe we have something really good about to happen.

 
 

"... A group that dramatically underperformed" is an odd choice of words for a "group" that has never played together. Chances are that there will be one starting O-lineman (Dawkins) from last season, and he is by no means a lock for a starting role.

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