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Mark Pike’s son is trying out with Bills - heck of a story

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5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I was wondering why they'd take on this kid and not Kelly, then I got to the part of the 2016 article that referenced the ministry he'd started and it made sense.  Not to me mind you, but to the people who make such decisions at OBD.  

 

McDermott is on the Andy Reid tree and Reid spouts this BS (IMO) also culture, culture, faith, blah, blah, blah.  Then you look at the turds Reid has enabled over the years and the hot mess his own kids are/were and I start to look at it skeptically.  Frankly, I'm skeptical of most people who clothe themselves in religion as a methodology to cleanse themselves.  This Pike kid started a ministry? Dude, get your own house in order.

 

I get what you're saying and agree that little Pike needs to get his own house in order. 

 

But when McD worked for Reid, he didn't become Reid.  

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7 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Congrats on changing your lifestyle and best of wishes in your continuing sobriety!

Appreciate it! It even made me pursue a career in helping those fight this deadly disease. Right now it's truly an epidemic where i'm at,North Jersey , it's unreal how young and how hard these kids are going. I guess we gotta keep fighting but the Gov't also has to step in and make some big changes because it's not normal for 20 somethings to be dropping like flies.

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15 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

I was wondering why they'd take on this kid and not Kelly, then I got to the part of the 2016 article that referenced the ministry he'd started and it made sense.  Not to me mind you, but to the people who make such decisions at OBD.  

 

McDermott is on the Andy Reid tree and Reid spouts this BS (IMO) also culture, culture, faith, blah, blah, blah.  Then you look at the turds Reid has enabled over the years and the hot mess his own kids are/were and I start to look at it skeptically.  Frankly, I'm skeptical of most people who clothe themselves in religion as a methodology to cleanse themselves.  This Pike kid started a ministry? Dude, get your own house in order.

When I read the article I was thinking the same thing, finally someone for people to latch on to the stupid Christian angle again. I mean it's been a while since they cut Peterman and I need my fix, hope he makes it to training camp so we can see this all damn summer.

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5 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get what you're saying and agree that little Pike needs to get his own house in order. 

 

But when McD worked for Reid, he didn't become Reid.  

Good point, I recently saw a Brian Dawkins little documentary and McD was coaching the secondary, I'm certain he gained an enormous amount of knowledge and perspective on the game from Reid but ya he's a completely different coach , different energy, different approach to the game. McD is a natural, I've said this so many times, we struck gold with him and Beane as well

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1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Appreciate it! It even made me pursue a career in helping those fight this deadly disease. Right now it's truly an epidemic where i'm at,North Jersey , it's unreal how young and how hard these kids are going. I guess we gotta keep fighting but the Gov't also has to step in and make some big changes because it's not normal for 20 somethings to be dropping like flies.

It's pretty bad down here in DC too.  It really is an epidemic.  Stay the course JerseyBills!!

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2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Appreciate it! It even made me pursue a career in helping those fight this deadly disease. Right now it's truly an epidemic where i'm at,North Jersey , it's unreal how young and how hard these kids are going. I guess we gotta keep fighting but the Gov't also has to step in and make some big changes because it's not normal for 20 somethings to be dropping like flies.

Same in Ohio :cry:

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Pills are a thing no matter where you live. It's crazy/scary. 

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"Recovering" addict myself so I always root for these kids/grown men. The struggle is real. I don't think Pike has a future in the NFL, but I'm glad he's getting a shot.

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I think it’s probably a situation where this kid has one more chance to play football, and the Bills are doing him a favor because Pike is his dad. The Pegulas and the FO/staff don’t have any ties to Pike but marlon kerner is over alumni relations and Zeke Pike spoke at Kelly’s camp, so there is still some connection. Try out players rarely get signed but they needed a bunch of guys for this weekend so why not. 

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Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s probably a situation where this kid has one more chance to play football, and the Bills are doing him a favor because Pike is his dad. The Pegulas and the FO/staff don’t have any ties to Pike but marlon kerner is over alumni relations and Zeke Pike spoke at Kelly’s camp, so there is still some connection. 

Ahh. Terrific connection. Kerner and Pike played together from 95 to 98. 

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7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s probably a situation where this kid has one more chance to play football, and the Bills are doing him a favor because Pike is his dad. The Pegulas and the FO/staff don’t have any ties to Pike but marlon kerner is over alumni relations and Zeke Pike spoke at Kelly’s camp, so there is still some connection. Try out players rarely get signed but they needed a bunch of guys for this weekend so why not. 

 

...major, MAJOR hurdles to overcome recidivism.....hope he can.....Kelly's nephew faces the same challenges but continues to stumble..only the strong survive...good luck lad....

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39 minutes ago, HansLanda said:

Pills are a thing no matter where you live. It's crazy/scary. 

 

Yes.

 

This may sound unrelated, bear with me.  A couple months back I was reading a book, "Secrets from the Food Lab" by Traci Mann.  Psychology professor at UMinn.  It's about her studies on the psychology of how people relate to food and how group dynamics influence this, but she does get into some practical suggestions for improving one's eating habits.

 

One of her points about why diets don't work and willpower isn't enough, was the difference between eating and most other activities: if you ignore distractions and focus on work 90% of the time before giving in and cutting loose, you'll be pretty successful because you'll get a lot done in that 90%, and those accomplishments will remain while you're off partying or what-have you.  But if you ignore a plate of donuts 90% of the time, and give in and eat 10% of the time, the donuts you gobble can completely undo or reverse the effects of that 90% restraint.

 

The relevance to the difficulty of struggles with addiction seems clear.  90% or 95% or even 99% clean isn't enough, and 100% is damned hard.

 

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s probably a situation where this kid has one more chance to play football, and the Bills are doing him a favor because Pike is his dad. The Pegulas and the FO/staff don’t have any ties to Pike but marlon kerner is over alumni relations and Zeke Pike spoke at Kelly’s camp, so there is still some connection. Try out players rarely get signed but they needed a bunch of guys for this weekend so why not. 

 

I think you've found the connection.  Pike and Kerner were teammates for several years in the 90's.

 

And it may go further than the weekend in that, if they can help the kid cut some film and give him a hands-on, eyes-on evaluation from a coach, perhaps he can get a further chance elsewhere, in the CFL or something.

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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes.

 

This may sound unrelated, bear with me.  A couple months back I was reading a book, "Secrets from the Food Lab" by Traci Mann.  Psychology professor at UMinn.  It's about her studies on the psychology of how people relate to food and how group dynamics influence this, but she does get into some practical suggestions for improving one's eating habits.

 

One of her points about why diets don't work and willpower isn't enough, was the difference between eating and most other activities: if you ignore distractions and focus on work 90% of the time before giving in and cutting loose, you'll be pretty successful because you'll get a lot done in that 90%, and those accomplishments will remain while you're off partying or what-have you.  But if you ignore a plate of donuts 90% of the time, and give in and eat 10% of the time, the donuts you gobble can completely undo or reverse the effects of that 90% restraint.

 

The relevance to the difficulty of struggles with addiction seems clear.

 

...GREAT point Hap....isn't the societal push that pills for whatever reason, be it diet, depression, et al are the "magical end all cure all"?....establishing a stoic mindset towards the goal comes first and foremost with meds being the ancillary helper.....not the other way around IMO...

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Mark was a great special teams player...the play he made on the onside kick during the greatest comeback was the turning point of the game.

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5 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I was wondering why they'd take on this kid and not Kelly, then I got to the part of the 2016 article that referenced the ministry he'd started and it made sense.  Not to me mind you, but to the people who make such decisions at OBD.  

 

McDermott is on the Andy Reid tree and Reid spouts this BS (IMO) also culture, culture, faith, blah, blah, blah.  Then you look at the turds Reid has enabled over the years and the hot mess his own kids are/were and I start to look at it skeptically.  Frankly, I'm skeptical of most people who clothe themselves in religion as a methodology to cleanse themselves.  This Pike kid started a ministry? Dude, get your own house in order.

 

I seriously doubt this has anything to do with his ministry.  I think Yolo found the connection - we got a guy in the Bills office still, who played with the kid's Dad.

 

Chad Kelly was offered an actual practice squad spot, not just a "come in 2 days for a tryout"

 

I agree this kid needs to get his own house in order, but he could have it 99% in order for all we know.  One slipup is all it takes.  That's the horror of addictions.

 

Speaking as a parent and seeing other parents, kids are very very hard.  The parents can do everything "right", teach the kids well, live a sincere example, and still have them turn to a hot mess.  Reading some of what happened and what the kid went through when the Pikes finally cut this kid off made my gut clench.

 

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45 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

"Recovering" addict myself so I always root for these kids/grown men. The struggle is real. I don't think Pike has a future in the NFL, but I'm glad he's getting a shot.

I know how bad it can be and I root for any person to survive it.  The stuff about the girlfriend is awful.  

 

Personally, as someone who didn’t have a dad in the nfl, it seems like some kids get a million more chances than other kids.  Lot of other kids, maybe with more talent than Pike, who didn’t have the opportunities he had growing up.  Things like if you mess up once, your life is over.  I guess that’s life though and I hope he really is over it.

 

also, sometimes a locker rom isn’t the best way to overcome an addiction.  I didn’t play in the  nfl but I’ve seen plenty of not great things with my teammates.  

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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I know how bad it can be and I root for any person to survive it.  The stuff about the girlfriend is awful.  

 

Personally, as someone who didn’t have a dad in the nfl, it seems like some kids get a million more chances than other kids.  Lot of other kids, maybe with more talent than Pike, who didn’t have the opportunities he had growing up.  Things like if you mess up once, your life is over.  I guess that’s life though and I hope he really is over it.

 

also, sometimes a locker rom isn’t the best way to overcome an addiction.  I didn’t play in the  nfl but I’ve seen plenty of not great things with my teammates.  

His battle with addiction will never be solved OR HURT by a locker room. It is what it is and everyone has to go home at some point. I really wish him well in his life, but I'm trying to stick to football. I bet you he's a better kid than you'd think.

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Just now, LSHMEAB said:

His battle with addiction will never be solved OR HURT by a locker room. It is what it is and everyone has to go home at some point. I really wish him well in his life, but I'm trying to stick to football. I bet you he's a better kid than you'd think.

I hope my point didn’t come across as judging him to be a bad person.  It was more than some kids just get way more opportunities in life. 

 

I know how the addiction process can start.  I tore my Achilles and had surgery.  They gave me Hydros and said I could take up to 8 a day.  I took one and was out of mind.  I tried to rehab without taking any more because I could real easy how that could become a big problem.  

 

And i do remember pills were pretty easily handled out when you got hurt.  I know guys who could get you anything.  And when they couldn’t, you turn to something cheaper and easier to get.  

 

Theres all this border stuff when there are a ton a ton of things be made in this country that are killing people.  Yet, a lot of legal money is being made on it,  sorry, rant over. 

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4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

His battle with addiction will never be solved OR HURT by a locker room. It is what it is and everyone has to go home at some point. I really wish him well in his life, but I'm trying to stick to football. I bet you he's a better kid than you'd think.

 

I’d agree a locker room isn’t a horrible place to be, but some places are better than others. We have a young friend we met through my son. They met in a sober living house, and the kid is an amazing musician. It always seemed to be a bad fit for him to be playing at some of the bigger honky tonks on Broadway in Nashville, surrounded by drunks and a lot of drugs in the F&B/entertainment world. Was it him, or the environment, or the combination? Don’t know, but he recently needed......some time away, after several great years. Wishing him all the best. 

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I hope he is able to overcome his addiction and become a great player for us. If not, I hope he can at least overcome his addiction.

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I know how bad it can be and I root for any person to survive it.  The stuff about the girlfriend is awful.  

 

Personally, as someone who didn’t have a dad in the nfl, it seems like some kids get a million more chances than other kids.  

 

Really a million?  If you have trouble counting that high imagine getting a chance every day, every hour for 9.5 years.  If you need to exaggerate then your point is pretty weak.  I worked with someone with no dad in NFL who played for JEST working his way up from an open day camp to practice squad to 53 man roster to occasionally playing.  He said it is so hard to work at it so much and some just give up because they are not willing to work that hard.  After 2 years he stopped, fell back to his degree which was fortunately a real one and is now a primary security engineer for a bank.  Oh yea he had to work real hard at that get certifications, etc.

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6 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Really a million?  If you have trouble counting that high imagine getting a chance every day, every hour for 9.5 years.  If you need to exaggerate then your point is pretty weak.  I worked with someone with no dad in NFL who played for JEST working his way up from an open day camp to practice squad to 53 man roster to occasionally playing.  He said it is so hard to work at it so much and some just give up because they are not willing to work that hard.  After 2 years he stopped, fell back to his degree which was fortunately a real one and is now a primary security engineer for a bank.  Oh yea he had to work real hard at that get certifications, etc.

 

Are you at all familiar with hyperbole? I’m thinking there is a disconnect here, and people are pushing different points thinking they are on the same page but disagreeing. Off the tracks is my guess. 

 

He’s rooting for anyone to survive, and I’m on board with that. Too many chances? There was a kid in our area who had 2 DUI’s. His parents paid attorneys a fortune and he kept his license. On his third DUI he killed a cop. You get no mercy there.

 

You want to protect your kid, and sometimes it’s just better off if they go to prison for a while. I’ve seen that at least three times with people close to us. But you only know in hindsight, so you just do the best you can and accept the outcome. What more can you do? 

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Yes I am familiar with hyperbole.  I was taught by my debate teacher that exaggeration is a tool of those unarmed in battle of wits.

 

When you exaggerate you are making your argument or point weaker.

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2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I hope my point didn’t come across as judging him to be a bad person.  It was more than some kids just get way more opportunities in life. 

 

I know how the addiction process can start.  I tore my Achilles and had surgery.  They gave me Hydros and said I could take up to 8 a day.  I took one and was out of mind.  I tried to rehab without taking any more because I could real easy how that could become a big problem.  

 

And i do remember pills were pretty easily handled out when you got hurt.  I know guys who could get you anything.  And when they couldn’t, you turn to something cheaper and easier to get.  

 

Theres all this border stuff when there are a ton a ton of things be made in this country that are killing people.  Yet, a lot of legal money is being made on it,  sorry, rant over. 

 

This is a bit of a veer but relevant especially as I know some of us have teen or younger kids.

When I had my wisdoms out years ago, I used ice and tylenol.  Two years ago, kid used ice and tylenol.  No problem.  The oral surgeon gave her a prescription for vicodin and the staff really guilt tripped us about filling it.  Made us feel like we were horrid parents who wanted our kid to wake screaming in the middle of the night if we didn't get it filled.

 

Come to find out, teens who fill an opiate prescription after wisdom tooth surgery are at TRIPLE the risk for becoming opiate abusers.

 

PSA: if the oral surgeon tells you to fill the prescription, just don't, and say you didn't.  If the bags of frozen veggies on the jowls and tylenol every 6 hrs don't help and your kid does wake up screaming for a couple of nights, that's far better than being their gateway to addiction.  PS make soup from the veggies afterwards.

 

 

 

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