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Trade Lawson and a 2020 draft pick for Clowney?

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1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Absolute highest I’d go is 2nd and Lawson for Clowney. He’s good, but he’s no surefire 16-game starting superstar. Regardless of what we think of the prospects for the draft that’s 11 months away, a 1st is too high imho for a player with some question marks.

I would never do that if I’m the Texans.  I do think JC is overrated but he’s worth a 1st.  Lawson would be whatever to me. 

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Can’t give up a first.  We have no idea where we will be this year.  That 1 could be huge.   If we were a playoff contender then maybe. 

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I dont want to pay the man for what he did in Houston. I believe you're better served paying players for what they've done for you. I just don't think paying Clowney big bucks is a smart use of cap dollars.

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Factor in Edmunds there too.

 

I'd love to see someone else be able to take over that MLB position and allow Edmunds to play Lorax position.    

 

But even is he stays inside imagine being able to bring Oliver, Clowney and Edmunds up the middle.    Could blitz Edmunds and drop Clowney OR Oliver back into a zone.  Just a lot of pass rush potential there.    Clowney could be a real catalyst for the defense, IMO.

 

But all that said..........you still gotta' have the assets to make Josh Allen great.   

 

I don't think anyone would trade a first for Clowney and then pay him $21M per year.    A second and a fourth might do it.

Thats my bottom line compensation as well. A 2nd and a 4th👍

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6 minutes ago, BubbaT said:

I dont want to pay the man for what he did in Houston. I believe you're better served paying players for what they've done for you. I just don't think paying Clowney big bucks is a smart use of cap dollars.

 

Interesting.......what did you think about the 18 free agents they paid this offseason for what they did for their other teams?  

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i'd give a third for him, a third and shaq if needed.

 

most i think i would do is a 2nd and shaq, but i think a 1st is too much.

 

clowney can play at a super high level, he and houghs and star and oliver is a MONSTER line.  4 first round picks on the DL, including 3 top 10 (i think star was a top 10) picks?  are you joking?  combine that with our young backers and solid secondary, i think we stay around where we were last year in yards, and get way more turnovers and sacks and give up less points, and that's with a run d that's less likely to implode like it did at times.

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I wouldn't trade a first round pick for Clowney and I'm pretty sure Beane wouldn't either. The dude's highest sack total was 9.5 in 2017, half a sack more than Trent Murphy had in 2016 and half this board thinks that guy should be cut. Clowney just isn't worth it. Good player, but not the "once in a lifetime generational talent" he was built up to be. And yeah, that's just a numbers comparison. I know Clowney is the better overall defender, he's more disruptive and can line up in a number of different spots. Still wouldn't trade a first.

 

And despite turning 31 in August, Jerry Hughes is still playing really good ball. Sack numbers might not always be there but he's also very disruptive and gets a lot of pressure on the QB. I see no reason why the guy can't continue to play the way he has and if he turns in another solid season I'd be all for paying him again. Give him a two or three-year deal and then after that they can do one-year deals or periodic extensions kind of like how they handled Kyle's contract over his last few years. 

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Well if John Wick says it's a good idea, it's definitely happening.

 

If John Breech says it, there's no chance it's happening, because he lives in his mom's basement

 

 

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A 2nd is fine IMO.  Don't see them throwing in Shaq too.  He's a young starting caliber DE in this league if even if he's not a big sack producer.  If Shaq is included in the deal then I'd expect Clowney and a pick back. 

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12 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said:

A 2nd is fine IMO.  Don't see them throwing in Shaq too.  He's a young starting caliber DE in this league if even if he's not a big sack producer.  If Shaq is included in the deal then I'd expect Clowney and a pick back. 

 

Shaq and 2nd, for Clowney and 6th?

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I'd give Shaq, a 2nd, and an additional pick.  (But I don't think Houston would go for this given what Frank Clark was just traded for)

 

As much as it would be great to get a DE to finish the Dline, I don't want to see the Bills give out a huge contract and a 1st round pick in a potentially good WR draft.  Maybe we can get Clowney next off season for less when the Texans have less leverage.  

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would never do that if I’m the Texans.  I do think JC is overrated but he’s worth a 1st.  Lawson would be whatever to me. 

 

Dunno if I want to give up a 1st and former 1st round pick for an overrated player. Maybe Lawson & a 1st for Clowney & a 3rd/4th, but doubt they’d do that either. 

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8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Shaq and 2nd, for Clowney and 6th?

IDK, would you trade Shaq straight up for a 6th?  I would not.  IMO Clowney is overvalued if the Texans want more than a second.  They should continue to wait it out.  The longer the wait, the better the bargaining position.  If he goes elsewhere for a 1st, so be it.      

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We have zero DEs under contract next year so some edge guy will get overpaid by us and every free agent knows it. I would rather take the guy who is a top 5 player who is actually on the upswing than take the retread like Jerry who is on the downswing. Let's take our money and get a true impact DE who can play all along the line and even cover some people. I would give the 1st up and I guarantee that is why we haven't done the deal. We have a fairly young team after Shady, Lorenzo, and Gore leave so the time is now to show we intend on winning now, not five years from now. We have a lot of positions that are cost controlled with the next big deal really not coming until we have to get 27 his money. Every good team pays an Edge, #1 WR, QB, ShutDown CB, LT, and a few impactful players sprinkled in. Everyone else is expendable or rotated around. We need a #1 DE and possibly a WR1 and we can't draft both next year if we go 8-8 or better folks!

 

I think the fact we aren't giving the first pick says one of 2 things:

 

1. Houston wants more assets than the 1 that we wont give. Maybe a 3 or a decent player like a Milano.

2. We think we might be 6-10 again so we are afraid to part with another top 10 pick. This second option seems unlikely, but what if there is closed door concern about Josh Allen still?

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9 minutes ago, Locomark said:

We have zero DEs under contract next year so some edge guy will get overpaid by us and every free agent knows it. I would rather take the guy who is a top 5 player who is actually on the upswing than take the retread like Jerry who is on the downswing. Let's take our money and get a true impact DE who can play all along the line and even cover some people. I would give the 1st up and I guarantee that is why we haven't done the deal. We have a fairly young team after Shady, Lorenzo, and Gore leave so the time is now to show we intend on winning now, not five years from now. We have a lot of positions that are cost controlled with the next big deal really not coming until we have to get 27 his money. Every good team pays an Edge, #1 WR, QB, ShutDown CB, LT, and a few impactful players sprinkled in. Everyone else is expendable or rotated around. We need a #1 DE and possibly a WR1 and we can't draft both next year if we go 8-8 or better folks!

 

I think the fact we aren't giving the first pick says one of 2 things:

 

1. Houston wants more assets than the 1 that we wont give. Maybe a 3 or a decent player like a Milano.

2. We think we might be 6-10 again so we are afraid to part with another top 10 pick. This second option seems unlikely, but what if there is closed door concern about Josh Allen still?

I don't think Clowney is rated top 5.  Not sure he is top 10.  

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I don't think Beane would give up a 1st and pay Clowney top money.  I don't see the production to justify it and he did it with JJ Watt on the other side drawing a ton of attention.  Once Clowney sees that guaranteed money he's likely to go full Mario Williams mode.  This Bills leadership doesn't seem enthralled with uber talented under achievers

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6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

They don’t want to pay him. Happens all the time. They need to pay Watson and have giant contracts on Hopkins and Watt. 

 

Texans got more cap money than the Bills.  They got Hopkins locked up for years under a good team contract.

Watt is signed for 2 more and they can jettison him if his plays drops off a lot for no dead.

Watson doesn't need to be signed next year.

Texans have big money to spend next year too.

 

Something isn't right about why they want to dump JC.   There entire front office is the same as when they drafted him.

 

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills have strategically put themselves in the position to pay these types of players if they want to. They have one big time contract on the books - Morse. They have only one coming up - Tre White. QB on year 2 of rookie contract. This is when you make these deals. They could have no vet Pass rushers under contract next year. Clowney is in his prime.Contending teams have several blue chip players who are vets and they are $$. 

 

Bills definitely can afford him but IF he is such a good deal and you take the Bills out of the equation why hasn't other teams jumped on this?

 

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

We simply CANT give up a 1st going into a legendary WR class next year. Plus, I hate trading 1sts for a player you also have to immediately sign to a huge deal.

 

I'd consider doing it for Shaq and a 2nd.

 

Good point.  I don't see Beane giving up next years 1 for anything.

 

If the Bills can work out a deal with the Texans it can't have next years 1 in it.

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9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....a 2nd plus $20 mil/yr?.......is that a McBeane fit?.......

 

 

McBeane has to evolve from running a team with little talent to a contender. It takes real stars to do that....we have been willing to overpay has been stars such as Kyle and Shady, Time to pay for current stars....  I mean we pay $13Mil  for a 31 year old guy with under 10 sacks who gets at least 3 disciplinary penalties a year who also can't be moved around the line...is that a McBeane move?

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