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1 minute ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Have you watched any Singletary highlights? He might not put on his underwear and run super fast in a straight line, but the guy is not SLOW by any means. Guys are lucky to get a hand on him most the time let alone tackle him. He will be a weapon for us if used correctly. A very dangerous player..

What was his 40 time? I think I saw 4.66? Leveon Bell ran a 4.6. but has outstanding vision which allowed him to be a technician at RB taking advantage of his blocking. Singletary’s biggest strength is also his vision. 

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3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

A lot of people around here point to the Patriots as a model of how to use a plethora of average guys while ignoring what made the Patriots passing game tick: Gronkowski.

 

Without Gronk, guys like Edelman/Hogan/whoever would have had a HELL of a lot harder of a time. While you're right that it helps to add OL help, I don't think the team should rest on its laurels thinking it's the be-all/end-all of improving the offense. It's not.

 

 

 

 

This is a bit of a reach.  Gronk hasn't been the same guy/even on the field in the last two years, and the passing game has remained dominant.  

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Yeah, we'll see how things pan out. Would rather they had taken a shot at trading back up into the second for Metcalf than having taken an undersized and slow RB. But whatever, it is what it is at this point, planning on a whole lot of 17-14 this year.

 

I don't know what your posting history is on trading up or down, but I've always believed trading up for a player you want & know you will get is better than trading down and getting picks that you have no idea if anybody you really want will be available at.  So, the reality is the majority of posters around here  think it's better to trade down-until the guy they want is picked a few picks before the Bills pick.  The worst trade down guy is Mike Dope on WGR.  I swear, everything he says I disagree with.  

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1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I don't know what your posting history is on trading up or down, but I've always believed trading up for a player you want & know you will get is better than trading down and getting picks that you have no idea if anybody you really want will be available at.  So, the reality is the majority of posters around here  think it's better to trade down-until the guy they want is picked a few picks before the Bills pick.  The worst trade down guy is Mike Dope on WGR.  I swear, everything he says I disagree with.  

 

I'm a trade-up guy for the most part. I prefer quality to quantity, ergo my issues with the WR corps :P

 

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7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

What was his 40 time? I think I saw 4.66? Leveon Bell ran a 4.6. but has outstanding vision which allowed him to be a technician at RB taking advantage of his blocking. Singletary’s biggest strength is also his vision. 

yup, but if you watch his film, hes as fast as the 4.4 guys on the field.  I do not see a slow guy at all, but to each is there own. His vision is amazing. Can stop on a dime and then accelerate through the whole. A tuff runner for a little guy too. Doesn't just fall over. I'm excited what he can do learning behind 2 future all time greats..

 

Is this slow:

 

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24 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

That could have been on Day One.    Bills were trying to trade up but got no takers.   The Panthers may have been trying as well, then flipped to Little on Day Two. 

 

Alternately, Carolina could have said they were trying to get Ford just to screw with McBeane for the time the Bills snagged a player the Panthers wanted (can't remember his name)...

Zay Jones was the player.

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24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The next two WRs to go off the board after they picked Singletary were McLaurin and Boykin (both  later in the round). They likely didn’t think either have #1 WR potential. I’m positive the Redskins took McLaurin because of Haskins publically begging them to take one of his guys and Campbell was gone. I like both players but they felt Singletary  has a higher ceiling imo.

Good point. At this stage of their respective careers, Singletary is a far better RB than Metcalf is a WR. There was simply no reason to reach for a WR at that stage. And no argument exists, imo, to have selected a WR over Oliver and Ford. Not even close.

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3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm a trade-up guy for the most part. I prefer quality to quantity, ergo my issues with the WR corps :P

 

The GMs in the league apparently weren't all that impressed with the quality this year as evidenced by how many dropped to lower rounds.

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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

The GMs in the league apparently weren't all that impressed with the quality this year as evidenced by how many dropped to lower rounds.

 

You realize that means nothing, right?  How many GMs passed on Mahomes? Brady? Rodgers? Antonio Brown? I could go on.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Yeah, we'll see how things pan out. Would rather they had taken a shot at trading back up into the second for Metcalf than having taken an undersized and slow RB. But whatever, it is what it is at this point, planning on a whole lot of 17-14 this year.

 

 

Metcalf dropped like a rock.  I'll trust the Bills' (and 30 other teams') staffs on this one.  And Singletary is hardly slow.

 

I don't think you're giving enough consideration to a few things:

 

1 -- Josh Allen Year 2.  No learning curve, and was starting to "click" at the end of the year.  Great players elevate those around them.

2 -- OL rebuild.  We are talking about a completely new line.

3 -- Veteran WRs and RBs.

 

I get it, a lot of folks want the "true #1" receiver.  I'm in the camp that believes this is not necessary.  I expect improvement from Foster and Jones, and with the additions of Brown and Beasley that WR room is "fine" as it is.  If Duke surprises or Sills is a steal even better.  I think Knox is the sneaky-good pick of this draft for the Bills.

 

Put a "middle of the pack" group of receivers out there with a good OL, good QB, and good RBs, and I think the offense is capable of scoring in the mid-20s consistently.

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1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Nice he knows WR is in a lousy spot. Too bad he didn't act on it.

 

 

 

If he drafted Sills and Easley instead of signing then as UDFAs would that be better?

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For me one of the more notable nuggets was the line about guys from other teams getting cut over the next few days for cap reasons who are being replaced through new draft picks; for me that raises the additional possibility of adding to certain position groups like WR, TE or Edge, where we could use more depth/competition. In other words, yet another source of additional help before we roll with what we’ve got? 

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Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

If he drafted Sills and Easley instead of signing then as UDFAs would that be better?

 

Hey, I'm OK with bringing them in as UDFA, though I think the quality's a significant dropoff at that point. Was watching Sills V highlights, and the man just doesn't separate all that well.

 

Don't know a lot about Easley, was gonna watch his stuff today.

 

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13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You realize that means nothing, right?  How many GMs passed on Mahomes? Brady? Rodgers? Antonio Brown? I could go on.

 

 

You realize you thinking a guy was better means nothing as well, right? 

 

You realize these guys have a lot more data available to them and still it's considered a good draft if they hit on 50%, right?

 

I would ask you to list out, say, for the last five drafts guys you would have picked in what rounds, and then we could evaluate your expertise.  The point is this:  they did not draft a WR because: a.  they addressed it in free agency and 2.  they did not feel guys represented value over other selections made.  You disagree, fine.  But don't pretend you have more knowledge than they do over the process. 

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5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 You disagree, fine.  But don't pretend you have more knowledge than they do over the process. 

 

I never claimed special knowledge. You're reading between lines, old man.

 

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Keeps still image/screen shot of magnetic board. Helps for next year. Self-scouting. Tuesday they put up the magnetic board. Good reference point and try to learn for history. Miss on someone? Trends? Look back and Learn why guys make it. Exercise pre-draft - Ask scouts why each guy will fail. May slide to second for certain reasons.  5th / 6th ask scouts why will the guy make it?  Height/weight/skill - why will succeed? Small school/injuries/transfer? Eifert an example of a guy who was  a good pick at the time , but things happen, couldn’t have predicted.

 

Love that they self scout and try to improve their process every year. 

 

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The one thing that does not make sense there is Carolina trying to trade up for Ford. They drafted Greg Little right before us. 

 

He didn’t say anything about them trading up for ford. Just that they were both trying to trade up at the same time. 

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5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I never claimed special knowledge. You're reading between lines, old man.

 

Can I ask what you are claiming then?   They didn't see WRs worth the value; they didn't take them.  They signed three in free agency.  So you can't say they didn't address the position.  Just because they didn't do what you wanted them to doesn't mean they didn't address the position.

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1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I’m struggling to remember the last Bills first round pick who made it to their second contract - Dareus?  And he gets an asterisk because they quickly dealt him.  Wood?

I believe your examples are correct. I attribute this to the turnover of the management and coaching staffs. 

 

Hopefully that is a thing of the past. It certainly feels as though it is.  

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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Can I ask what you are claiming then?   They didn't see WRs worth the value; they didn't take them.  They signed three in free agency.  So you can't say they didn't address the position.  Just because they didn't do what you wanted them to doesn't mean they didn't address the position.

 

I'm claiming that they could have done better. Could have been in on ODB. Could have gone harder after AB. I'm comparing with what other teams have done for their rookie/young QBs, like the LAR, CHI, CLE.


Would you rather have ODB instead of Ed Oliver? I would. If you're telling me you'd rather have brown/beasley/foster than ODB and Landry I'm gonna have to question your knowledge, man.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I’m struggling to remember the last Bills first round pick who made it to their second contract - Dareus?  And he gets an asterisk because they quickly dealt him.  Wood?

McKelvin?

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1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

He did in free agency.  You don't just dial up #1 WRs in the mid rounds of the draft.  DK was the darling of many around here and he lasted until (edit) the end of the 2nd round*.  Ever think the GMs around the league know more than you?  Truth is even the league's worst GMs know more than just about everyone on this board.  

 

*-I originally said 3rd round-proof that the GMs know more than me too.  

 

Maybe not "dial up", but there's plenty there.  Who have been the biggest WRs in the league the past year?  Here are all the WRs who had 90+ catches last year:

Antonio Brown (R6), Michael Thomas (R3),  Adam Thielan (UDFA), JuJu Smith-Schuster (R3),  Stefon Diggs (R5), DeVante Adams (R2), Keenan Allen (R3), Tyreek Hill (R5)

 

While that's mixed in w/ Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins who were drafted in R1, the vast majority of the top stud WRs came later in the draft.  Its actually not even close

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42 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You realize that means nothing, right?  How many GMs passed on Mahomes? Brady? Rodgers? Antonio Brown? I could go on.

 

 

So, if we get to cherry pick the successful ones, can we point out the amount that were passed on and never panned out?

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2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm claiming that they could have done better. Could have been in on ODB. Could have gone harder after AB. I'm comparing with what other teams have done for their rookie/young QBs, like the LAR, CHI, CLE.


Would you rather have ODB instead of Ed Oliver? I would. If you're telling me you'd rather have brown/beasley/foster than ODB and Landry I'm gonna have to question your knowledge, man.

 

 

ODB is a complete head case.  And if the reports are correct Brown did not want to come to Buffalo. 

 

The choice between Oliver and ODB is not a choice, one was a free agent and one was a draft pick.  Are you saying you would have traded a bunch of number one picks for ODB and ignored other things?  Not me.

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Just now, oldmanfan said:

ODB is a complete head case.  And if the reports are correct Brown did not want to come to Buffalo. 

 

The choice between Oliver and ODB is not a choice, one was a free agent and one was a draft pick.  Are you saying you would have traded a bunch of number one picks for ODB and ignored other things?  Not me.

The cost for ODB (a proven weapon) was one first rounder and a third rounder. So it would have cost the Bills Ed Oliver and Singletary.

 

I'd take that deal 100/100 times.

 

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