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30 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Nothing I've seen from Pegula so far suggests that Pegula knows what he's doing.  I began to suspect he wasn't the owner to bring winning football back to Buffalo when he sent most of Ralph's minions packing but not only failed to remove Russ Brandon but promoted him to head up both the Bills and Sabres organizations.  How does the CEO/President/GM of an organization that had a winning percentage of less than .400 over the length of his nearly decade tenure merit being retained by new ownership -- and then given a promotion? 

Nothing? Nothing at all? Does constructing a state of the art training and sports medicine facility for the betterment of his players not indicate at least one thing? 

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18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Weird that the guy who played on the best offenses the last 2 years and made the playoffs is a “loser.” 

 

 

What's weird is that folks can't understand comparing a player's production with the expectations arising from his draft position.

 

At this point in his career Sammy Watkins has stolen millions of dollars from three NFL franchises.

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28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't think that's the case.  Our entire offensive line has changed.  We added two new FA WR.  We made 3 additions to the RB position.

A whole new TE unit.  It's not the same at all.


Not to mention changes in the coaching staff.

I feel like he was referring to team management in his post.

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12 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Can we close this thread? It literally has nothing to do with the topic.

Feel free to not participate—or go post in the “Bills have the 19th best fan base” thread, or both.  

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48 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

But if we are to do so with Sammy, why then do we have posts declaring that we need to give up on a Zay Jones?  Why do we have a thread about when to pull the plug on Allen this coming season, his second season in a very difficult position, when he showed such promise last year. Why should we have patience for other teams' players but not our own?

I have no ax to grind wrt Sammy, other than the fact that I hated the trade to draft him.

 

That said, Sammy is 10x more talented than Zay Jones at every aspect single aspect of the wide receiver position.

 

I took guitar lessons yeas ago and still have a nice acoustic I play around with every now and then. Let us not compare me to Jerry Garcia. ;)

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18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

 

 Either way, he was on pace for for more than 60 receptions and 750 yards. 

 

I do realize he gets hurt too much, but anyone watching a healthy Sammy play vs. NE in the AFC championship game could see the lights-out talent on display. He was great in that game, and anyone who denies that wasn't watching. If he stays healthy -- and yeah, I know it's a huge if given past history -- he may well have a dominant season given the quality of the QB and the absence of Hill. He is still young, remember. He turned 26 just 12 days ago, and his huge physical talent and receiving skills are readily evident to those with eyes. Anyway, the book on him hasn't come close to being completed yet. 

 

Most players don't play 16 game seasons, so whether we are discussing it based off of 9 or 10 games is within the margin and in between the numbers you and I put forth on a prorated basis.  Even if we were to go based off of your numbers, do 60 receptions, 750 yards, 13 yards per reception and 5 TD's justify $16 M a year?   Before you answer I think it goes without saying that the final numbers were 40 receptions which is where he should be judged.

 

It's not just a matter of staying healthy, it's much more than that.  It's consistency, for everyone one good game such as the one you referenced, there are 2 games where he is a complete non factor and another decent game.   He hasn't demonstrated over the past 3 years to be a consistent force on the field.  That's been his biggest hangup along with his injuries.

 

And no one doubts his talent, but we are way past that now.   

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3 minutes ago, mannc said:

Feel free to not participate—or go post in the “Bills have the 19th best fan base” thread, or both.  

Don’t forget the Bear Cam thread on OTW. It’s tough to beat bears in their natural habitat.

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1 minute ago, mannc said:

Feel free to not participate—or go post in the “Bills have the 19th best fan base” thread, or both.  

 

Zinger, you sound super cool. This thread still has nothing to do with the topic. I suggest you focus your meager wit elsewhere

 

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28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Weird that the guy who played on the best offenses the last 2 years and made the playoffs is a “loser.” 

 

What would that make the 31st ranked offense?

Do you really not understand how foolish this sounds?  What exactly did Sammy do to help these fantastic offenses?  

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Just now, teef said:

Do you really not understand how foolish this sounds?  What exactly did Sammy do to help these fantastic offenses?  

Isn't it obvious?  I mean look at how the Rams offense fell apart after they lost him.

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5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have no ax to grind wrt Sammy, other than the fact that I hated the trade to draft him.

 

That said, Sammy is 10x more talented than Zay Jones at every aspect single aspect of the wide receiver position.

 

I took guitar lessons yeas ago and still have a nice acoustic I play around with every now and then. Let us not compare me to Jerry Garcia. ;)

So, you’re the Zay Jones of guitar playing?

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2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Isn't it obvious?  I mean look at how the Rams offense fell apart after they lost him.

That was being predicted too. Once the hof decoy left, the rams were doomed. If I’m not mistaken, the ram’s offense improved slightly after sammy’s departure. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have no ax to grind wrt Sammy, other than the fact that I hated the trade to draft him.

 

That said, Sammy is 10x more talented than Zay Jones at every aspect single aspect of the wide receiver position.

 

I took guitar lessons yeas ago and still have a nice acoustic I play around with every now and then. Let us not compare me to Jerry Garcia. ;)

But Sammy hasn't exhibited that talent level consistently.  I am not saying Jones is the same caliber athletically as Sammy.  But he can be a good #2 or #3, yet folks here wanted to give up on him year one.

 

Why is that?  Why is it that when guys are on other teams they get the benefit of the doubt but when they have on a Bills uni they don't?

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17 minutes ago, eball said:

 

What's weird is that folks can't understand comparing a player's production with the expectations arising from his draft position.

 

At this point in his career Sammy Watkins has stolen millions of dollars from three NFL franchises.

He's basically Sam Bradford.

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20 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I feel like he was referring to team management in his post.

 

But the Management has changed as well....

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20 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Isn't it obvious?  I mean look at how the Rams offense fell apart after they lost him.

 

16 minutes ago, teef said:

That was being predicted too. Once the hof decoy left, the rams were doomed. If I’m not mistaken, the ram’s offense improved slightly after sammy’s departure. 

 

 

 

 

I know you guys don't follow the NFL............but when the Rams couldn't reach a deal with Watkins they traded their first round pick for Brandin Cooks to replace him.

 

I get not being CLOSE followers of the NFL but for fuxake the Rams played in the Super Bowl............did you catch that game?:flirt:

 

And I don't remember anyone predicting the Rams offense was going to fall apart...........Watkins signing with KC and Cooks being traded to LA happened pretty close together.

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24 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Most players don't play 16 game seasons, so whether we are discussing it based off of 9 or 10 games is within the margin and in between the numbers you and I put forth on a prorated basis.  Even if we were to go based off of your numbers, do 60 receptions, 750 yards, 13 yards per reception and 5 TD's justify $16 M a year?   Before you answer I think it goes without saying that the final numbers were 40 receptions which is where he should be judged.

 

It's not just a matter of staying healthy, it's much more than that.  It's consistency, for everyone one good game such as the one you referenced, there are 2 games where he is a complete non factor and another decent game.   He hasn't demonstrated over the past 3 years to be a consistent force on the field.  That's been his biggest hangup along with his injuries.

 

And no one doubts his talent, but we are way past that now.   

Let's see what he does this year. I'm not passing judgment yet. I won't be shocked if he gets hurt again, but I also won't be shocked if he puts up 1400+ yards and 12 TDs.

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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't think that's the case.  Our entire offensive line has changed.  We added two new FA WR.  We made 3 additions to the RB position.

A whole new TE unit.  It's not the same at all.


Not to mention changes in the coaching staff.

 

Billfrom NYC is correct.  My point was that the two senior leaders of football ops - McBeane - are the same ones here for all 3 seasons.

 

In short, the dudes who make final decisions and have charted a course for this organization remain in power.

 

The one subject that's impossible to convince people about, hence this 80+ page thread, is a criticism of strategic decision making.  I see people talking throughout who simply do not understand that, absent result, McBeane's decisions will be scrutinized and "trust the process" isn't sufficient.    

 

 

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24 minutes ago, K-9 said:

So, you’re the Zay Jones of guitar playing?

 

He strums for Jesus.

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4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

I know you guys don't follow the NFL............but when the Rams couldn't reach a deal with Watkins they traded their first round pick for Brandin Cooks to replace him.

 

I get not being CLOSE followers of the NFL but for fuxake the Rams played in the Super Bowl............did you catch that game?:flirt:

 

And I don't remember anyone predicting the Rams offense was going to fall apart...........Watkins signing with KC and Cooks being traded to LA happened pretty close together.

Yes, they signed Brandon Cooks, but he filled a different role- to the tune of 80 grabs and 1,200+ yards.

 

Who replaced Sammy as the master decoy?

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47 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Can we close this thread? It literally has nothing to do with the topic.

 

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I think it's too early to write the book on McDermott and Beane.

 

At the very least, let's see how this season shakes out.  Then I think it's fair to begin grading their overall tenure.

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8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

He strums for Jesus.

Alou?

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14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

I know you guys don't follow the NFL............but when the Rams couldn't reach a deal with Watkins they traded their first round pick for Brandin Cooks to replace him.

 

I get not being CLOSE followers of the NFL but for fuxake the Rams played in the Super Bowl............did you catch that game?:flirt:

 

And I don't remember anyone predicting the Rams offense was going to fall apart...........Watkins signing with KC and Cooks being traded to LA happened pretty close together.

nah.  the rams let him go.  he was unproductive so buh bye.  you may not remember it, but many times the comment was made to just watch how the ram's offense falters after sammy leaving.  many, many times.

 

again, i don't dislike sammy at all, and i think he's wildly talented.  there's no reason he should be better than he is, but i do understand part of it has been his health.  i don't want the guy to fail, but he does have to be better this year or his career is in trouble.  same can be said for a number of people and players on the bills.  it's a prove it year for many.

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18 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Billfrom NYC is correct.  The two senior leaders of football ops - McBeane - are the same ones here for all 3 seasons. 

 

When you post stuff like this it really appears as if you have an agenda.  Yes, McBeane are still here and have been turning over the roster.  Do you think it is intellectually honest or productive to suggest that the offensive production for this year's team will be the same as last year or 2017 simply because the HC and GM are same but probably 2/3 of the offensive starters are different?

 

Come on, dude.

 

 

52 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I feel like he was referring to team management in his post.

 

And if he was, it's an agenda-driven post.

 

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