RoyBatty is alive Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: First of all....his physical biuld (low to the ground) allows for him to be successful without being a huge back...... You dont have those kind of carries in college and be a "scat back" if that was the case he would not be durable enough for the amount of work he did in college Third....so you think talent at RB cannot come from a "tier 2 college"? His instincts are what will do it for him if he is successful at the NFL level.....as a 3rd round pick ppl REALLY shouldnt be complaining or downgrding the pick. 1) Ok 2) fact he didnt get hurt doesnt change that 3) no, never wrote that, yes I am aware of Fred Jackson at Coe....these "one off" examples are just that, one off, the odds of being a great NFL player out of Florida Atlantic are very low "Instincts:" can be counteracting by speed, the NFL game speed are something he has never seen, lets see how his "instincts" hole up when the game materially speeds up. We are fans, we have every right to "complain", and this was a very , very deep draft class. Edited July 22, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, aristocrat said: thurman still ran a 4.47 40. singletary ran a 4.66. i hope he's a success but speed seems to be pretty key for rbs in the league. again, how many rbs do you know that had a slower 40? Not if you are elusive and can work well in traffic...... Devin isnt going to run away from mast NFL players.....but he can make them miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Wow! this thread is getting some play. When I checked out Singletary again, I didn't realize how many carries he had in college. I am rooting for this guy. As explosive as he is once he gets out the backfield. he will obviously have an awakening of NFL speed. I hope he makes the adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: It's amazing to me how folks continue to doubt Beane, and trust the other talking heads WRT where players are drafted. Why people automatically assume that they "reached" for Singletary based on draft rankings created outside of OBD is dumb, IMO. Beane and his crew had their draft board. They felt they got good value where Devin was drafted. Who are we to question/doubt that? At least a decade here ..... AND you still ask that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: 30 Spots higher? That means they had him going #2 in the second round? A way undersized slow scat back from a tier 2 college? He was a projected 2nd round pick till he went to the combine hurt He isn't way undersized either. He is short at 5'7 but that is fine for a RB. He is over 200 Pounds already And look at his tape, he is far from slow , he has great game speed and makes everybody miss. He also isn't afraid to run up the gut I easily could see teams with a 2nd round grade on him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: Agreed 110%, buffalo needed to get a young back in here to learn from the Shady and Gore. However, not in the third. I am actually a Singletary fan 100%. Was drafted too highly Was drafted too highly? And your a fan? If a player can make plays they are NEVER drafted too highly....the draft is a complete crap shoot where 1st rounders bust. The kid was taken in the THIRD ROUND 19 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: 1) Ok 2) fact he didnt get hurt doesnt change that 3) no, never wrote that, yes I am aware of Fred Jackson at Coe....these "one off" examples are just that, one off, the odds of being a great NFL player out of Florida Atlantic are very low "Instincts:" can be counteracting by speed, the NFL game speed are something he has never seen, lets see how his "instincts" hole up when the game materially speeds up. We are fans, we have every right to "complain", and this was a very , very deep draft class. I dont understand the complaining until there is actually something to complain about...... Training camp has not even started yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I dont understand the complaining until there is actually something to complain about...... Training camp has not even started yet Hasn’t constructed a quality post yet in 1500 tries. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: The Bills could wind up with four starters through the first three rounds of this draft (Oliver, Ford, Singletary, Knox). You are speaking as though it was a foregone conclusion Singletary would be around later. You are also implying I don't care if Beane "reaches" for players...I don't think he did in this situation and if Singletary proves to be an above-average RB my point will be proven. The point remains, however, that fans in particular get way too "jacked up" over where a guy was drafted before they have any idea the sort of player he will be in the NFL. I didnt imply anyone would be around at any point in the draft. I pointed out I thought Singletary was taken too highly, and where you draft players does matter. It happens every single year, teams fall in love with players and take them at points that leave some scratching their heads, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. That being said, just because another team might have snagged Singletary if we passed, doesnt push his value up. His grade remains the same. It would be an artificial justification of over drafting a player... you cant allow what other teams intention may or may not be effect your overall strategy. Even more emphasis on RB, a very diminished position in the league, that by all accounts becomes the least likely position for success with each passing round. I'd much rather take a valued position, whose value fits, and bolsters the roster. I'm all for BPA, and that's always my philosophy, which is why its hard for me to say Singletary was infact the BPA. Players like Winovich were still on the board for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 59 minutes ago, CBD said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/nfl-combine-results.cgi?request=1&year_min=2001&year_max=2019&pos[]=RB&show=all&order_by=year_id Here's the list. There's a bunch of guys who have been at least moderately successful. James Conner (4.65) and Kareem Hunt (4.62) being most notable. Speed and size are why he fell though, so yeah it's an issue for him. Eddie Lacey run 4.64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I didnt imply anyone would be around at any point in the draft. I pointed out I thought Singletary was taken too highly, and where you draft players does matter. It happens every single year, teams fall in love with players and take them at points that leave some scratching their heads, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. That being said, just because another team might have snagged Singletary if we passed, doesnt push his value up. His grade remains the same. It would be an artificial justification of over drafting a player... you cant allow what other teams intention may or may not be effect your overall strategy. Even more emphasis on RB, a very diminished position in the league, that by all accounts becomes the least likely position for success with each passing round. I'd much rather take a valued position, whose value fits, and bolsters the roster. I'm all for BPA, and that's always my philosophy, which is why its hard for me to say Singletary was infact the BPA. Players like Winovich were still on the board for example. Beane did not do this. They had Singletary graded much higher than the next best available player on their board. You disagree with that grade, fine, but there is no evidence they panicked or reached to draft him. In the Bills' room it was literally a case of either taking him or ignoring their own evaluations. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: Beane did not do this. They had Singletary graded much higher than the next best available player on their board. You disagree with that grade, fine, but there is no evidence they panicked or reached to draft him. In the Bills' room it was literally a case of either taking him or ignoring their own evaluations. I'm not talking about specifically, more in generalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He was a projected 2nd round pick till he went to the combine hurt He isn't way undersized either. He is short at 5'7 but that is fine for a RB. He is over 200 Pounds already And look at his tape, he is far from slow , he has great game speed and makes everybody miss. He also isn't afraid to run up the gut I easily could see teams with a 2nd round grade on him A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting "30 spots ahead of the next available player" to mean "30 spots ahead of where he was drafted." What is likely is that they had Singletary ranked somewhere around 55-60 and some guys they had ranked a bit lower were taken a little earlier than the Bills had them, as happens all the time once you get passed the first round and a half or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Big C said: A lot of people seem to be misinterpreting "30 spots ahead of the next available player" to mean "30 spots ahead of where he was drafted." What is likely is that they had Singletary ranked somewhere around 55-60 and some guys they had ranked a bit lower were taken a little earlier than the Bills had them, as happens all the time once you get passed the first round and a half or so. Of course I'm not saying he had a top 30 grade. When we drafted him he was 30 spots ahead of any player on our board. He easily could've been 55 Edited July 22, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 did singletary have a better pro day 40 time than at the combine, or am i imagining that? i THINK he had a similar spread pro day vs combine as did emmit smith. if our line can get it together I'm a fan of our back field. guys who can make a few yards out of small creases and break tackles will pull up LBs for play action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Of course I'm not saying he had a top 20 grade. When we drafted him he was 30 spots ahead of any player on our board No, I was speaking more toward the post you were responding to and agreeing with yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big C said: No, I was speaking more toward the post you were responding to and agreeing with yours. Yea I confused myself. When you quoted me and said 30 spots ahead of the next available player" to mean "30 spots ahead of where he was drafted." That was the first time I read that and got caught up with it my next post My original take was that he easily could've had a second round grade from the Bills because he is very talented and plays faster than his 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Of course I'm not saying he had a top 30 grade. When we drafted him he was 30 spots ahead of any player on our board. He easily could've been 55 ...think this kid could be the next Sproules, (Eric) Metcalf, (Terry) Metcalf or Meggett (pre-arrest)......significant multi-skilled talent with size and speed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...think this kid could be the next Sproules, (Eric) Metcalf, (Terry) Metcalf or Meggett (pre-arrest)......significant multi-skilled talent with size and speed..... Or he could be the next Karim Hunt (in a good way) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 hours ago, eball said: After the first round, I think people get WAY too caught up in where a guy was drafted. If Singletary becomes a productive player nobody will ever care that he was drafted at #74 instead of #94. Nobody. But we will certainly have a right to HATE taking him at 74 if he ISN'T a productive player. 3rd round running backs are expected to be relatively productive right out of the gate. I prefer your scenario, but time will tell. I have my doubts about Singletary. Love his backstory. Love his ability to get into the EZ. Very concerned about his size/speed ratio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: But we will certainly have a right to HATE taking him at 74 if he ISN'T a productive player. You have the right to HATE everyone and everything. Things do not need to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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