RAS = Relative Athletic Score and Irv Smith, et. al..

[JESSEFEFFER]

I am new to this metric and was seeking opinions on how much insight it  actually provides.  There is probably some correlation between what it measures and what the "ceiling" might be for any player.  It does give some rather interesting scores and relative to the positional peer groups it must mean something.  Here is the link to the site which I do as an attempt to conform to rules about using other people's data:        RAS Scores      This format can't be sorted which is very inconvenient so I copied it to an Excel file which can be sorted.   I have seen other lists which has historical scores going back fifteen or twenty years which is would be a nice way of trying to look for a correlation.

 

1)  Highest RAS is punter Mitch Wishnowsky with a 10!  If you wanted to run a fake punt he might be the man.  Austrailian Rules football says hello.  I'd like the Bills to fix their punting for a decade and he'd be worth a late round pick to me just to add a 3rd option to the competiton.

 

2) Highest QB score is...............Tyree Jackson.

 

3)  Surprisingsly poor scores for Irv Smith, Jr who is at 4.82 and Jace Sternberger at 5.25.  Most of the other top guys are much higher.  FYI,  Stephen Carlson from Princeton (JHS alumnus) is an 8.26 whiich is why I was even looking to find this data as I was curious how he stacked up.

 

4) I would assume that it would be tough for a player to really out perform this score as most ingame matchups would really favor elite athleticism .  Certainly QB and all it's unmeasurable but necessary traits and maybe RB (doesn't measure contact balance or vision) are likely exceptions.

 

5)  Anyways it does provide something extra to discuss in terms of whom the Bills might be considering and whom they actually do select.

 

6)  Amongst the RB class, Miles Sanders is a standout but his fumbling is a problem, imo.

 

 

RAS 2019 NFL.xlsx

[Prickly Pete]

12 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

I am new to this metric and was seeking opinions on how much insight it  actually provides.  There is probably some correlation between what it measures and what the "ceiling" might be for any player.  It does give some rather interesting scores and relative to the positional peer groups it must mean something.  Here is the link to the site which I do as an attempt to conform to rules about using other people's data:        RAS Scores      This format can't be sorted which is very inconvenient so I copied it to an Excel file which can be sorted.   I have seen other lists which has historical scores going back fifteen or twenty years which is would be a nice way of trying to look for a correlation.

 

1)  Highest RAS is punter Mitch Wishnowsky with a 10!  If you wanted to run a fake punt he might be the man.  Austrailian Rules football says hello.  I'd like the Bills to fix their punting for a decade and he'd be worth a late round pick to me just to add a 3rd option to the competiton.

 

2) Highest QB score is...............Tyree Jackson.

 

3)  Surprisingsly poor scores for Irv Smith, Jr who is at 4.82 and Jace Sternberger at 5.25.  Most of the other top guys are much higher.  FYI,  Stephen Carlson from Princeton (JHS alumnus) is an 8.26 whiich is why I was even looking to find this data as I was curious how he stacked up.

 

4) I would assume that it would be tough for a player to really out perform this score as most ingame matchups would really favor elite athleticism .  Certainly QB and all it's unmeasurable but necessary traits and maybe RB (doesn't measure contact balance or vision) are likely exceptions.

 

5)  Anyways it does provide something extra to discuss in terms of whom the Bills might be considering and whom they actually do select.

 

6)  Amongst the RB class, Miles Sanders is a standout but his fumbling is a problem, imo.

 

 

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Interesting that Miles Boykin is the highest ranked WR.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2019 by OJ Tom

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, OJ Tom said:

 

 

 

 

Interesting that Miles Boykin is the highest ranked WR.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is.  I wonder what held him back at ND that is tied in to not being one of the elite of this draft.  Many Bills related mock drafts have taken him quite late and if he's there in the 5th it seems like that's the type of shot you take.

[JESSEFEFFER]

The top of the DT group for reference:

 

Dexter Lawrence	Clemson	2019COMBINE	9.87
Ed Oliver	Houston	2019COMBINE	9.87
Quinnen Williams	Alabama	2019COMBINE	9.85
Renell Wren	Arizona State	2019COMBINE	9.74
Jerry Tillery	Notre Dame	2019COMBINE	9.72
Ray Smith	Boston College		9.67
Alec Heldreth	Clarion		9.57
Jalen Dalton	North Carolina		9.09
Michael Dogbe	Temple		9.03
Trysten Hill	Central Florida	2019COMBINE	8.99
Jonathan Bonner	Notre Dame		8.76
Khalen Saunders	Western Illinois	2019COMBINE	8.56
Christian Wilkins	Clemson	2019COMBINE	8.55

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

Yeah I'm not sure I like teh upside of Sternberger. Knox and Oliver seem a lot more interesting. Maybe Oliver can become the new Williams? 

[JESSEFEFFER]

19 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Yeah I'm not sure I like teh upside of Sternberger. Knox and Oliver seem a lot more interesting. Maybe Oliver can become the new Williams? 

 

 

The top of the TE group down to Irv Smith, Jr.

 

Noah Fant	Iowa	2019COMBINE	9.89
Foster Moreau	Louisiana State	2019COMBINE	9.48
Kahale Warring	San Diego State	2019COMBINE	9.41
Dawson Knox	Mississippi	2019COMBINE	9.26
T.J. Hockenson	Iowa	2019COMBINE	9.21
Drew Sample	Washington	2019COMBINE	9.02
Andrew Beck	Texas		8.82
Jackson Harris	Georgia		8.81
Alize Mack	Notre Dame	2019COMBINE	8.56
Kano Dillon	Oregon		8.43
Stephen Carlson	Princeton		8.26
Josh Oliver	San Jose State	2019COMBINE	8.21
Austin Applebee	Southern California	UNCONFIRMED	7.67
Isaiah Searight	Fordham		7.33
Justin Johnson	Mississippi State		7.12
Donald Parham	Stetson		6.85
MikQuan Deane	Western Kentucky		6.43
Chris Myarick	Temple		5.97
C.J. Conrad	Kentucky	COMBINE| heart condition	5.97
Tommy Sweeney	Boston College	2019COMBINE	5.91
Trevon Wesco	West Virginia	2019COMBINE	5.89
Daniel Helm	Duke	2019COMBINE	5.75
Caleb Wilson	UCLA	2019COMBINE	5.7
Kendall Blanton	Missouri	2019COMBINE	5.28
Jace Sternberger	Texas A&M	2019COMBINE	5.25
Dax Raymond	Utah State	2019COMBINE	5.21
Matt Sokol	Michigan State		4.86
Irv Smith Jr.	Alabama	2019COMBINE	4.82

 

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

6 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

 

The top of the TE group down to Irv Smith, Jr.

 

Noah Fant	Iowa	2019COMBINE	9.89
Foster Moreau	Louisiana State	2019COMBINE	9.48
Kahale Warring	San Diego State	2019COMBINE	9.41
Dawson Knox	Mississippi	2019COMBINE	9.26
T.J. Hockenson	Iowa	2019COMBINE	9.21
Drew Sample	Washington	2019COMBINE	9.02
Andrew Beck	Texas		8.82
Jackson Harris	Georgia		8.81
Alize Mack	Notre Dame	2019COMBINE	8.56
Kano Dillon	Oregon		8.43
Stephen Carlson	Princeton		8.26
Josh Oliver	San Jose State	2019COMBINE	8.21
Austin Applebee	Southern California	UNCONFIRMED	7.67
Isaiah Searight	Fordham		7.33
Justin Johnson	Mississippi State		7.12
Donald Parham	Stetson		6.85
MikQuan Deane	Western Kentucky		6.43
Chris Myarick	Temple		5.97
C.J. Conrad	Kentucky	COMBINE| heart condition	5.97
Tommy Sweeney	Boston College	2019COMBINE	5.91
Trevon Wesco	West Virginia	2019COMBINE	5.89
Daniel Helm	Duke	2019COMBINE	5.75
Caleb Wilson	UCLA	2019COMBINE	5.7
Kendall Blanton	Missouri	2019COMBINE	5.28
Jace Sternberger	Texas A&M	2019COMBINE	5.25
Dax Raymond	Utah State	2019COMBINE	5.21
Matt Sokol	Michigan State		4.86
Irv Smith Jr.	Alabama	2019COMBINE	4.82

 

 

 

From the information I found, the creator of this metric claims that these scores show the highest correlation to TE success.

 

OJ Howard.................  9.8

Jimmy Graham..........  9.6

George Kittle..............  9.5

Travis Kelce................  9.3

Gronk..........................  9.3

Greg Olsen..................  9.5

 

I have not watched Irv Smith highlights, but I wonder if the buzz around him is all Alabama, SEC and his NFL bloodlines.  Otherwise, I'd rather pass on him and take Oliver, Warring or Knox in the 3rd or later.