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PFT Mock: It's Burns aAt #9

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2 minutes ago, Laughing Coffin said:

Burns at 9 would feel like us the years we took Maybin/Whitner.  If we traded down or traded back into the 1st to grab Burns in the late teens I'd think it was a good move though.  Just not at 9 please

That's what I was thinking, Maybin II. 

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Both Allen and Edmunds were pre-draft visits.

 

Burns and the frequently mocked to Buffalo Jonah Williams have not been reported to visit One Bills Drive.

 

 

Edited by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

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54 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Why are these people trying to trade away Hughes?  

 

We need a pass rusher opposite him, not replacing him.  Smh....

On top of that we need to extend him 3 more years....sheeeesh

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Metcalf falling all the way out of the 1st? Can’t see it.

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I'm fine with taking an edge guy at 9. But then IMMEDIATELY trading away our OTHER good edge rusher means we don't improve the team at all. Spinning our wheels. Silly.

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Hughes is so disruptive I'd hate to see him go, same with Lorax. 

 

My take is the Bills will draft a pass rusher @#9 for sure.

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36 minutes ago, H2o said:

Draft a 235lb edge rusher that you don't know will pan out and trade one of the better ones in the league? No

Please. He'll play at 250-60 and may be the best pure pass rusher in the draft.

He also has WAY better play strength than Maybin could of ever hoped for. Totally weak and lazy argument.

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47 minutes ago, noacls said:

Hughes must be one of the most overrated Bills of all time. 

Also no to Burns, would rather have Sweat with medical issues.  

Dude! Not even close... 

He may not be All Pro but what he accomplishes with no help around him is quite impressive.

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Hughes will not agree to extension next year with the bills. He wants to play for a defense that he fits and maximize his talent.  He's a 15 year sack guy in a scheme fit.

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I know what Hughes has produced in previous years but in McDermotts defense his production is way down.  He just doesn't fit this style defense. 

I think the eagles would trade for Hughes in a heartbeat and they have 2 second rounders. 

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56 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Please. He'll play at 250-60 and may be the best pure pass rusher in the draft.

He also has WAY better play strength than Maybin could of ever hoped for. Totally weak and lazy argument.

What evidence do you have of that?  Burns was very underweight and underpowered in college, worked out multiple times a day and ate like a fiend to put on 20 good pounds for the combine.  There is no evidence that 1) he’ll be able to maintain that weight during a season and 2) even with the additional weight he won’t be overpowered at the NFL against much bigger stronger competition than he faced in college 

 

MAYBE he can carry and maintain the extra weight and maybe his speed will overcome his lack of strength against NFL competition, but that is too risky for my taste high in round one for a team that can not afford a total miss.

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52 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Please. He'll play at 250-60 and may be the best pure pass rusher in the draft.

He also has WAY better play strength than Maybin could of ever hoped for. Totally weak and lazy argument.

Uhhhh, no it's not. And if you watch film on him he does get stood up because he is smallish. He may have "better play strength than Maybin", but his sack numbers were also against the weaker teams on the schedule just like Maybin. He's more likely an edge in a 3-4 if anything, not a 4-3 DE. There are a bunch of guys with speed, but that doesn't mean they succeed in the NFL. If they take him in the first it would be a mistake. Jawaan Taylor held him in check this year and watch him against Alabama in 2017. Those are the best equivalents to NFL talent he will face week in and week out. 

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I understand the notion of a trade of Hughes, not that I think the Bills would do it.  Hughes is 30 years old and the length of his career moving forward is in question.  He could be effective for a couple more years or 7 to 8 years.  He's entering the final year of his contract, and will likely want one bigger than the deal he has now.  The length is subject to negotiation, and Jerry's agent will probably push for a longer one than Beane wants to commit to given Jerry's age.  If all you're concerned with is the long term stability of one position, then trading Jerry is the direction to go. Burns gives you a player for 4 years at a discounted cost.  However, If the Bills draft him, they will be looking for an upgrade of their pass rush in the upcoming season  Jerry still has it even though he wasn't as productive as some seasons.  There were other factors that played into that.  By keeping Jerry they should have a better overall pass rush (assuming they can also pick up a quality 3 tech somewhere).  They could play Hughes and Burns on opposite ends, or employ a deadly rotation.  Either way If should really pressure opposing defenses.

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Sounds like a total disaster... It'd be the same as 9 months notice that Beane was quitting.

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3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

PFT’s 2019 mock draft

Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2019, 1:17 PM EDT
 

9. Bills: Brian Burns, EDGE, FSU.

Here’s a move that could be followed by a trade of Jerry Hughes and his $6.35 million salary to a team that fails to get a pass rusher it covets in round one.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/24/pfts-2019-mock-draft/

 

 

This is perhaps one of the stupidest insights I've seen this draft season. Hughes is their most productive pass rusher. McD also greatly appreciates Hughes' work ethic and approach to the game and likes having players like that around so the young bucks can see how it's done. Finally, $6.8 mil for a solid pass rusher is not exactly breaking the bank, plus they have the money anyway. Cripes. Who wrote this? I genuinely hope they smack their toes and shins on every piece of furniture they own. 

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No comments on Burns, but as far as Hughes, under previous management I wanted him out. His inability to control himself and cost us 15 yards 3 times a game was infuriating. With McDermott in charge, he seems to have a bit more control, yet still maintains his passion and productivity. Let him play his final year and we can do a 2 year extension if he produces.

 

If he has a less stellar year, we have rotational DEs that might break out and/or we can address it next year. I dont like DE this draft (for us) unless its Bosa or Allen.

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3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

PFT’s 2019 mock draft

Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2019, 1:17 PM EDT
 

9. Bills: Brian Burns, EDGE, FSU.

Here’s a move that could be followed by a trade of Jerry Hughes and his $6.35 million salary to a team that fails to get a pass rusher it covets in round one.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/24/pfts-2019-mock-draft/

 

 

I like him...

 

I don't think the Bills will Draft him...😎

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Its not the drafting of Burns I would hate.....

 

It is the notion that drafting him would cause Hughes to be traded.....for jesus why not have more then one good pass rusher at end?

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4 hours ago, Laughing Coffin said:

Burns at 9 would feel like us the years we took Maybin/Whitner.  If we traded down or traded back into the 1st to grab Burns in the late teens I'd think it was a good move though.  Just not at 9 please

 

Quarterback cravin Aaron Maybin would’ve been a junk pick at 15

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If Burns is the pick.....

 

He will Play Lorax role. But also play DE on down and distance, McD loved Shaq at 3 Tech.... 3rd and 15.....

 

Burns  Shaq  HPhillips Hughes 

 

thats a quick DL that can stunt and rush the QB. 

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At least he has 3 full years as a contributor.

 

That's more than I can say for a lot of these players, regardless of position.

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I think Burns has more upside than Leonard Floyd... Floyd went what? #4 overall.... if Burns can stay at 250.... watch out.

 

The Maybin comparison is dumb. This kid showed he can easily put on the weight and not be slowed. Maybin couldn’t put on weight.  

 

Ill take Burns and Jerry Tillery all day!!!!

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4 hours ago, Laughing Coffin said:

Burns at 9 would feel like us the years we took Maybin/Whitner.  If we traded down or traded back into the 1st to grab Burns in the late teens I'd think it was a good move though.  Just not at 9 please

This. Burns physically is a reincarnation of Maybin. Can you think of any comparable NFL pass rusher who has been highly successful with Burns'/Maybin's physique? Me neither. I'll go further. I don't want him at #9 overall or in the 2nd or 3rd round either even were he to slide because I don't believe his body will hold up against NFL offensive linemen. Why waste a day 1 or 2 draft pick on the dude? 

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