row_33 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said: Who else is using turf in an outdoor stadium with a northern climate? Comparing injury rates from a controlled environment and an uncontrolled environment is a bit misleading. How do the numbers change if they just used September games at New Era? Additionally, are these injuries lower body injuries, or does this include all injuries that occurred during a game on the surface like helmet to helmet concussions? Michigan Stadium’s field is below the water table, it got soggy, so it uses turf Edited April 22, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: My main concern would be trying to reduce number of ACL injuries Ankle and toe injuries may cause more time lost, though not as drastic as ACLs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 There is not enough info to make a determination regarding weather, and so on. The title is terrible and misleading. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: There is not enough info to make a determination regarding weather, and so on. The title is terrible and misleading. Yup. Another click-bait troll job from this user. Can't wait for the pre-season purge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 How many ACL injuries have the Bills had at New Era Field? I don't seem to recall many at all. And I have to doubt that the Pegula's would let Erie County install what they could regard as a "dangerous" playing field, if they truly felt that this was going to be the cause of serious injuries to their players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Pegulas must be cheap right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Paulus said: The title rubbed me the wrong way, but the post seems legit. Good point. I'd still like to see the study. Could be related to climate, sample size (the Bills are the only team using the stuff), etc. Yes it is clear this is a LAMP post by title since it has very little to do with post. Post should be punted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 And the turf is old and being replaced. Could age be part of the problem? Numbers in first couple years need to be looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Stefan Mychajliw = PUNT750?!? ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Do the analysis, they do need to correct the data for the temperature of the air.......more injuries in cold weather. Most climates are warmer, on average, than Buffalo. How do the injury rates vary with temperature.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 1 hour ago, DefenseWins said: How many ACL injuries have the Bills had at New Era Field? I don't seem to recall many at all. And I have to doubt that the Pegula's would let Erie County install what they could regard as a "dangerous" playing field, if they truly felt that this was going to be the cause of serious injuries to their players. i can rhyme off a few disasters, not sure if they were precisely ACL.... 1 hour ago, DefenseWins said: How many ACL injuries have the Bills had at New Era Field? I don't seem to recall many at all. And I have to doubt that the Pegula's would let Erie County install what they could regard as a "dangerous" playing field, if they truly felt that this was going to be the cause of serious injuries to their players. turf was viewed as a money-saver from day one less expensive than grass, players get hurt so you cut down on Free Agency expenses in the future.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Begging for attention by a provocative title? Post title is enough for me to ignore the OP forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 What I’ve noticed is that a lot more players were slipping on the previous field than on other artificial surfaces. Not being a doctor I’m not sure if slipping leads to more injuries or if it actually prevents them as players cleats don’t grab and stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Tipster, is that you??? But seriously, this would have been an EXCELLENT entry in the threat TALKING ABOUT THE NEW TURF - or- maybe even the new training facility thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What I’ve noticed is that a lot more players were slipping on the previous field than on other artificial surfaces. Not being a doctor I’m not sure if slipping leads to more injuries or if it actually prevents them as players cleats don’t grab and stick. you trust the doctors hired by the Bills to tell you if the team has more injuries during their gig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 This feels like it has the beginnings of a hit piece on the county executive. However, they are using the turf because it has a direct financial impact in the area. Maybe the study has some merit. It really means an injury, no clue on extent, per game. I don't think that the Bills will stop using a local source any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 When your not a premier destination in the NFL you have to do the little things right. When you lose the battle of location, location, location, you'd think they'd want to do anything they could to show themselves being committed to doing the very best they can for their players. That includes sports science, amenities and staff. This all is very important to organizational philosophy and culture. Why would the Bills not add funds to what Erie County is spending and not purchase peer reviewed high quality surface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, row_33 said: you trust the doctors hired by the Bills to tell you if the team has more injuries during their gig? Well the Bills used to have lowest injury rate in NFL when Rusty Jones was in charge of the training and physical therapy part of team until he was "promoted" to front office and then left for Bears. Bears then had their injury rate go down. This tells you it is not all the turf (Bills did not have grass from trays like Cardinals have and LV will) but multiple factors but go ahead and pretend it is just one thing and "Bills are bad". Their doctors also developed techniques used by entire NFL now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 5 hours ago, PUNT750 said: Both NY teams, Bengals, Patriots and Seattle which is kind of a Northern climate! The facts don't lie! A-Turf is bad - worse than other surfaces. AND - I love the BILLS! Spending $18 mil on training facilities is wonderful. I just don't get letting Erie County buy our field turf with a national bad reputation for injuries through a local vendor who has donated money to the County Executive over the years. Get it!!! Ahhhh, so you have an agenda. At least it didn’t come out in your first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Well the Bills used to have lowest injury rate in NFL when Rusty Jones was in charge of the training and physical therapy part of team until he was "promoted" to front office and then left for Bears. Bears then had their injury rate go down. This tells you it is not all the turf (Bills did not have grass from trays like Cardinals have and LV will) but multiple factors but go ahead and pretend it is just one thing and "Bills are bad". Their doctors also developed techniques used by entire NFL now. again, you trust the Bills doctors when they say they had the lowest injury rates? it's been a horrible history of pretending injuries didn't exist, or weren't all that severe hopefully it's a bit more enlightened now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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