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I don't think the Bills will trade our 1st in 2020 to move up in this draft so I'm listing the teams where we can move up to that meets the value . 

 

Top Players the Bills will target to move up for Bosa, Allen, Quinnen or possibly Oliver 

 

 

#5 Bucs- The Bucs have needs at LB, Pass Rush and possibly Oline so there definitely a team that can entertain moving back with the Bills if there's a player or players they identify at #9 . The cost could be a 2nd this yr and a 3rd in 2020 or and even more to move up for us.

 

#6 NYG- Same as the Bucs the Giants have many holes to fill can be willing to move bk 3 spots to #9 , price possibly a 3 & 5 to get there .

 

 Bottom of first 

 

21/22 Seahawks or Ravens  I listed these teams together because there pretty much in the same situation . They both don't have a 2nd rd pk and there both teams that love to take BPA . Knowing this draft has the same type of players from 20s to 40s these 2 teams will look to move bk.  The Price is a 2nd, 3rd , 4th & 5th . I also have been hearing multiple reports that these teams are both seeking to trade bk.

 

Now depending on who we take at #9 these can be the player or players we move up for. 

 

# 9 - Hock, if we draft Hockenson the Bills can possibly move up for either DTs Wilkins, Simmons, Tillery or Lawerence and at DE Burns or Ferrell.  

 

# 9- Oliver or Sweat- if we go DT or DE I wouldn't rule out us trading up for the other position on the Dline . Same players I listed above can be there . Also if we are seeking a player on offense the targets can be TE Noah Fant or WR DK Metcalf. 

 

The question is what would be the best combination to trade up for in this draft. These are just a few examples here on the bottom feel free to come up with your own. 

 

1. Hock and Wilkins 

2. Oliver and Fant 

3. Oliver and Burns

4. Sweat and Simmons

 

 

 

 

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I’d love the second scenario where we draft Oliver/Sweat but trade back up for AJ Brown. Bills would add 2 immediate impacts on both sides of the ball. 

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Just now, racketmaster said:

I’d love the second scenario where we draft Oliver/Sweat but trade back up for AJ Brown. Bills would add 2 immediate impacts on both sides of the ball. 

That's definitely a possibility I should of probably added more Wrs to the list but figured the Bills would wait till #40 because the value is great at that pt for that position. 

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I should of added in case we take Taylor or Dilliard at #9 who we can trade up for at #21/22. 

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While I agree we don't need to draft and add ten new players, we have more than needs at only two positions, so don't like giving up all those picks either and have nothing left at the top of the draft.

 

Personally I'd rather see them trade down at 9 a few spots maybe to around 13, pick up a n extra pick or two, at a minimum another teams 2nd, then do the trade up as still have at least another 2nd or 3rd left over.

 

That is something that worries me, the long term plan is to build thru the draft which I think is the right way and do believe that is the plan.  With all the players they just signed, it doesn't leave much room to draft guys and still keep all the players they just signed at certain positions, particularly thru at O-line, just not enough roster spots.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a couple of the guys they just signed end up getting cut.

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So you think #5 will cost a 2nd and maybe a 3rd, but #6 will cost a 3rd and a 5th?

 

While the general premise is fine, you are clearly just throwing out random trade ideas.

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No TE  at pick 9 or anywhere in the first. 

Stay at nine and get an impact player in the DL. I really think this is what the Bills do. There will be someone they like available there. 

After that I think all bets are off as to what Beane does. I know he will move around some. Get back an extra pick or two in the top 100 by using the later picks. 

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It’s funny how fans want the moon to move back but think a trade up can be achieved relatively cheaply. I think it’s fun to imagine but I can’t see an early round 1 trade up. Rd2 and 3 absolutely.

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I would love the combo of Hockenson and Wilkins. Hockenson is a complete TE and is a huge position of need. Wilkins seems like a process guy through and through and is highly productive and hungry. To me, this would be a huge haul and would be a win no matter what else happens. And we would still have fourth and fifth round picks to address RB. 

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17 minutes ago, Seoul_panther said:

It’s funny how fans want the moon to move back but think a trade up can be achieved relatively cheaply. I think it’s fun to imagine but I can’t see an early round 1 trade up. Rd2 and 3 absolutely.

 

 

There's usually a premium on moving up, but trades usually don't differ all that much from the established value charts readily available online.  It wouldn't cost our 2nd and next years 1st to move up 4 spots.

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2 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

I don't think the Bills will trade our 1st in 2020 to move up in this draft so I'm listing the teams where we can move up to that meets the value . 

 

Top Players the Bills will target to move up for Bosa, Allen, Quinnen or possibly Oliver 

 

 

#5 Bucs- The Bucs have needs at LB, Pass Rush and possibly Oline so there definitely a team that can entertain moving back with the Bills if there's a player or players they identify at #9 . The cost could be a 2nd this yr and a 3rd in 2020 or and even more to move up for us.

 

#6 NYG- Same as the Bucs the Giants have many holes to fill can be willing to move bk 3 spots to #9 , price possibly a 3 & 5 to get there .

 

 Bottom of first 

 

21/22 Seahawks or Ravens  I listed these teams together because there pretty much in the same situation . They both don't have a 2nd rd pk and there both teams that love to take BPA . Knowing this draft has the same type of players from 20s to 40s these 2 teams will look to move bk.  The Price is a 2nd, 3rd , 4th & 5th . I also have been hearing multiple reports that these teams are both seeking to trade bk.

 

Now depending on who we take at #9 these can be the player or players we move up for. 

 

# 9 - Hock, if we draft Hockenson the Bills can possibly move up for either DTs Wilkins, Simmons, Tillery or Lawerence and at DE Burns or Ferrell.  

 

# 9- Oliver or Sweat- if we go DT or DE I wouldn't rule out us trading up for the other position on the Dline . Same players I listed above can be there . Also if we are seeking a player on offense the targets can be TE Noah Fant or WR DK Metcalf. 

 

The question is what would be the best combination to trade up for in this draft. These are just a few examples here on the bottom feel free to come up with your own. 

 

1. Hock and Wilkins 

2. Oliver and Fant 

3. Oliver and Burns

4. Sweat and Simmons

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

 

 

1. Hock and Wilkins 

2. Oliver and Fant 

3. Oliver and Burns

4. Sweat and Simmons

 

 

 

 

Of these possibilities, Oliver and Fant excites me the most.  

 

(Followed by Hock and Wilkins)

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If we're moving up from #9 (which I am all for if they love a guy), I dont want to give up our 2nd round pick.

 

But I really like the idea of staying at #9, and moving back into the late 1st by packaging our 2nd and other picks.

 

Team needs young talent.

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3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If we're moving up from #9 (which I am all for if they love a guy), I dont want to give up our 2nd round pick.

 

But I really like the idea of staying at #9, and moving back into the late 1st by packaging our 2nd and other picks.

 

Team needs young talent.

This. ^

 

i really believe it is what we will do and I am all for it. Quality over quantity.

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1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

While I agree we don't need to draft and add ten new players, we have more than needs at only two positions, so don't like giving up all those picks either and have nothing left at the top of the draft.

 

Personally I'd rather see them trade down at 9 a few spots maybe to around 13, pick up a n extra pick or two, at a minimum another teams 2nd, then do the trade up as still have at least another 2nd or 3rd left over.

 

That is something that worries me, the long term plan is to build thru the draft which I think is the right way and do believe that is the plan.  With all the players they just signed, it doesn't leave much room to draft guys and still keep all the players they just signed at certain positions, particularly thru at O-line, just not enough roster spots.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a couple of the guys they just signed end up getting cut.

 

I think that is Beane's (wise) plan all along.

 

You cant fill 2 holes with just 2 signings and expect it to work out. At best, about half the players teams bring in through FA or drafting work out, so you have to get quality and quantity. Otherwise, you get in a situation like the Derrick Dockery/Langston Walker debacle. Tie up a ton of money on just 2 players, and if one or neither work out, you are screwed.

 

Instead, Beane has brought in 6 guys, with (Im assuming) the hopes that 3-4 work out.

 

This is also going to make camp really fun. Having these veterans fighting for not only starting spots, but roster spots as well, is going to be quite the battle. And hopefully iron sharpens the iron.

 

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15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I think that is Beane's (wise) plan all along.

 

You cant fill 2 holes with just 2 signings and expect it to work out. At best, about half the players teams bring in through FA or drafting work out, so you have to get quality and quantity. Otherwise, you get in a situation like the Derrick Dockery/Langston Walker debacle. Tie up a ton of money on just 2 players, and if one or neither work out, you are screwed.

 

Instead, Beane has brought in 6 guys, with (Im assuming) the hopes that 3-4 work out.

 

This is also going to make camp really fun. Having these veterans fighting for not only starting spots, but roster spots as well, is going to be quite the battle. And hopefully iron sharpens the iron.

 

 

The only worry I have about going this route which I do believe is going to happen to some extent is you don't develop enough time with the starters all working together.  Think that was part of the issue last year with both the line and QB, all the constant changing, not one getting enough time with the starting group.

 

It may mean the first month of the season until they have time to work the bugs out, people will be ripping Beane and the team for the poor play of the line.  I do feel three spots are set, Morse, Spain, and Dawkins, so only have churn at two positions.

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2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The only worry I have about going this route which I do believe is going to happen to some extent is you don't develop enough time with the starters all working together.  Think that was part of the issue last year with both the line and QB, all the constant changing, not one getting enough time with the starting group.

 

It may mean the first month of the season until they have time to work the bugs out, people will be ripping Beane and the team for the poor play of the line.  I do feel three spots are set, Morse, Spain, and Dawkins, so only have churn at two positions.

 

I hear ya, but I dont think it's that big of a deal. Most teams use Training Camp to play around with different OL combos before finally setting all positions. I know we have a lot more new faces than usual, but the flip side is that they are all seasoned vets, so they should gel fairly quickly.

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1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

There's usually a premium on moving up, but trades usually don't differ all that much from the established value charts readily available online.  It wouldn't cost our 2nd and next years 1st to move up 4 spots.

 

Oh yeah I agree. But nobody is moving back for a third and a fifth. That’s wishful thinking. You have to accept that you are going to lose value picks this year and/or next.

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Oliver and Burns, although Burns might be gone by mid 1st. 

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4 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

I don't think the Bills will trade our 1st in 2020 to move up in this draft so I'm listing the teams where we can move up to that meets the value . 

 

Top Players the Bills will target to move up for Bosa, Allen, Quinnen or possibly Oliver 

 

 

#5 Bucs- The Bucs have needs at LB, Pass Rush and possibly Oline so there definitely a team that can entertain moving back with the Bills if there's a player or players they identify at #9 . The cost could be a 2nd this yr and a 3rd in 2020 or and even more to move up for us.

 

#6 NYG- Same as the Bucs the Giants have many holes to fill can be willing to move bk 3 spots to #9 , price possibly a 3 & 5 to get there .

 

 Bottom of first 

 

21/22 Seahawks or Ravens  I listed these teams together because there pretty much in the same situation . They both don't have a 2nd rd pk and there both teams that love to take BPA . Knowing this draft has the same type of players from 20s to 40s these 2 teams will look to move bk.  The Price is a 2nd, 3rd , 4th & 5th . I also have been hearing multiple reports that these teams are both seeking to trade bk.

 

Now depending on who we take at #9 these can be the player or players we move up for. 

 

# 9 - Hock, if we draft Hockenson the Bills can possibly move up for either DTs Wilkins, Simmons, Tillery or Lawerence and at DE Burns or Ferrell.  

 

# 9- Oliver or Sweat- if we go DT or DE I wouldn't rule out us trading up for the other position on the Dline . Same players I listed above can be there . Also if we are seeking a player on offense the targets can be TE Noah Fant or WR DK Metcalf. 

 

The question is what would be the best combination to trade up for in this draft. These are just a few examples here on the bottom feel free to come up with your own. 

 

1. Hock and Wilkins 

2. Oliver and Fant 

3. Oliver and Burns

4. Sweat and Simmons

 

 

 

 

 

You put a lot of thought into this. However I do not want to trade up in this draft. No reason giving picks up to get a player in the positions we would target. 

 

Example DT - there is going to be a good one at 9. Only one of Oliver or Williams will go in top 8. 

 

DE - Same there will be a DE available at 9 as well. 

 

I do not understand moving up for a position that is very deep in the top end talent then still very deep thru the rest of the draft. 

 

If anything move back (only to 15).  Think the talent falls a bit in the later first. However if we can move back once or a couple times to about 15 we can secure 2nds and 3rds (talent rich rounds) and still get a top end prospect. 

 

If you talking Trade ups then it should be using our later rounds to maneuver in the 2nd and 3rd for specific players. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

While I agree we don't need to draft and add ten new players, we have more than needs at only two positions, so don't like giving up all those picks either and have nothing left at the top of the draft.

 

Personally I'd rather see them trade down at 9 a few spots maybe to around 13, pick up a n extra pick or two, at a minimum another teams 2nd, then do the trade up as still have at least another 2nd or 3rd left over.

 

That is something that worries me, the long term plan is to build thru the draft which I think is the right way and do believe that is the plan.  With all the players they just signed, it doesn't leave much room to draft guys and still keep all the players they just signed at certain positions, particularly thru at O-line, just not enough roster spots.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a couple of the guys they just signed end up getting cut.

 

Not worried about all the players they just signed. I think there are really only 3 that cannot be cut after camp due to their contracts. A ton of 1 year insurance Contracts before draft. I like how they finally did that. 

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The more I think about it the more I believe we'll trade up.  Beane has already shown he'll go that route to get someone he truly covets.  With all the holes he's filled thru free agency, he has little need for the multitude of draft picks he has this year.  Of course next year, because so many of the free agents are on one year deals, that will likely be a different story.  But Beane's bean appears to know what it's doing. 

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We have too much OL, WR, Edge-especially if we plan on drafting any.  I am guessing Beane moves a player, and it would't surprise me to see him pull off a big trade for Frank Clark or someone like him. It's obvious Beane is trying to shore up pass rush across from Hughes.  Maybe someone like Shaq or Zay gets packaged.  I only see them trading up for Williams, Allen, and Oliver- and not overpaying.  But me thinks Beane stays pat and hopes his DT is there at 9.   If 7 DL go before pick 9- who knows what Beane does then?  We are going BPA which can be any position outside QB.  We have 10 picks to improve upon on a deep roster. In past years we have had good ideas who we were going to select, Rueben Brown for example.  Well this year Beane is a complete mystery.  All those picks can take this team in many directions(offense heavy, D heavy, BPA, etc).  This draft will be the wildest, most exciting draft I can ever recall.  And it might set our course to greatness

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1 minute ago, Pete said:

We have too much OL, WR, Edge-especially if we plan on drafting any.  I am guessing Beane moves a player, and it would't surprise me to see him pull off a big trade for Frank Clark or someone like him. It's obvious Beane is trying to shore up pass rush across from Hughes.  Maybe someone like Shaq or Zay gets packaged.  I only see them trading up for Williams, Allen, and Oliver- and not overpaying.  But me thinks Beane stays pat and hopes his DT is there at 9.   If 7 DL go before pick 9- who knows what Beane does then?  We are going BPA which can be any position outside QB.  We have 10 picks to improve upon on a deep roster. In past years we have had good ideas who we were going to select, Rueben Brown for example.  Well this year Beane is a complete mystery.  All those picks can take this team in many directions(offense heavy, D heavy, BPA, etc).  This draft will be the wildest, most exciting draft I can ever recall.  And it might set our course to greatness

You never have too much OL.  And many are on one year deals.  We still need a long term young stud OT.

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19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

You put a lot of thought into this. However I do not want to trade up in this draft. No reason giving picks up to get a player in the positions we would target. 

 

Example DT - there is going to be a good one at 9. Only one of Oliver or Williams will go in top 8. 

 

DE - Same there will be a DE available at 9 as well. 

 

I do not understand moving up for a position that is very deep in the top end talent then still very deep thru the rest of the draft. 

 

If anything move back (only to 15).  Think the talent falls a bit in the later first. However if we can move back once or a couple times to about 15 we can secure 2nds and 3rds (talent rich rounds) and still get a top end prospect. 

 

If you talking Trade ups then it should be using our later rounds to maneuver in the 2nd and 3rd for specific players. 

 

 

 

Not worried about all the players they just signed. I think there are really only 3 that cannot be cut after camp due to their contracts. A ton of 1 year insurance Contracts before draft. I like how they finally did that. 

 

Agree most are contracts they can easily walk away from, but then could be shaky fro ma talent standpoint.

 

also agree with you on I'd rather trade down to between 12 and 16, get an extra 2nd rounder at a minimum, likely something more, then use the extra picks to trade back up into bottom of 1st.

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