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Chris Hogan makes a stop in Charlotte prior to Canton

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8 hours ago, MJS said:

Well he pretty much did the same there as he did here. Pretty similar stats. And Hogan was in the league before we picked him up. We just gave him playing time.

Yes, Phins

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7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Bashing the Bills for letting him go is hardly "you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk," as said above, or the snideness of "prior to Canton" in the headline. 

 

And that's the kind of stuff that always gets said, never by folks who like Hogan. Always by people making fun of the folks who criticized the Hogan cut. If anything it proves the original point. The actual criticism was extremely reasonable. That's why the folks who didn't like it even to this day have to wildly exaggerate what was actually said.

 

Whaley cut Hogan largely because he'd been such a spendthrift that we were in cap trouble despite being a team that was at best mediocre. We were in such crap shape that they could give Hogan only a minimum salary one year tender. Whaley tried to keep him, and couldn't. And the cheap-ass Pats gave him $4 mill a year over three years, and structured the contract to stop Buffalo from matching.

 

"The Patriots signed Hogan to a three-year, $12 million offer sheet that will have a high amount of guaranteed money. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the three-year offer sheet will feature a $5.5 million salary cap hit for the 2016 season. With a $5.5 million cap hit for the upcoming season, the Bills would have been left with under $1 million in current cap space -- making their ability to match the offer sheet highly unlikely. The Bills chose to use the lowest possible tender on Hogan, which gave them a cap hit of $1.671 million, and in doing so they only assured themselves the right of first refusal for the wide receiver. The Bills did not match the offer sheet, and because it's the lowest tender, they will receive no draft pick compensation from New England."

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/bills-decline-offer-hogan-headed-to-patriots

 

Incompetence, poor cap handling, tendering him for less than half of what he eventually got per year and being outsmarted and outmaneuvered by Belichick. Of course we were pissed. Rightly so.

 

You didn't have to think Hogan was Megatron to think the Bills *****ed that up. Hell, you didn't have to think Hogan was an above average #3 receiver. He'd been the 3rd most productive WR on the Bills. During his first year with the Patriots, we brought in Percy Harvin for $6 mill and got nothing. Woods was our most productive WR with 613 yards, Watkins and Goodwin were #2 and #3 with 430 and 431 yards. But yeah, we had all the receivers we needed. Justin Hunter was our #4 with 189. And Hogan got 680 on 58 targets and 38 catches in NE, and that would have made him the most productive on our team.

 

People were pissed because how it happened was utterly stupid, because they could have had him for a lot less than Belichick - a fairly smart cookie, they say -ended up paying him, and because he was a decent player replaced by guys who weren't as good. It was a move that sucked.

 

 

Finally ... a voice of reason. There may have been Bills fans somewhere who thought Hogan was some kind of #1 receiver in the making. I do not know any of these fans. I do know a lot of Bills fans who saw letting Hogan go as just another example of what happened under the Whaley regime: a solid contributor at an affordable price, lost to a team that always seemed to be a step ahead of us. 

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10 hours ago, MJS said:

That's simply not true. Hogan had a cult of pissed off followers that continually bashed the Bills for letting him go.

The Bills were in deep cap trouble and they couldn't sign a 3rd or 4th WR on the team for a $16-20M deal (as that would have been his asking rate for staying back with the Bills). 

 

 

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He was a good guy and a high effort guy.  He was not a game changer that could justify the money that the Cheatriots paid him.  Contrary to the revisionists, there were large numbers of people that were apoplectic over his loss.  Even the local and national news media pushed the narrative that this was a big loss.

At the time it seemed more important than it was because the Bills' roster was fairly weak.  His effort had been a positive on a team that had a shortage of effort and results.

I hope he does well ( just not against the Bills )and stays healthy.

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11 hours ago, MJS said:

Solid depth WR who I was sad to let go, but honestly the lamentation of his departure was blown way out of proportion. He's nothing more than a 3rd or 4th WR.

 

And Mike Gillislee was a win for this organization. Picked up a street free agent, got some TD's from him, and stole a draft pick from the Patriots when they signed him. Then he did nothing there.

 

Love the use of lamentation...Conan would be proud!

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On 4/12/2019 at 12:08 PM, RiotAct said:

awesome thread title 😂

Does Chris Hogan have a friend being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame?  There must be some reason he's planning to go to Canton.

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On 4/12/2019 at 10:28 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype.

 

It wasn’t about how good he was but how bad the alternatives we had were and how easy it should’ve been to just keep him. 

 

 

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On 4/12/2019 at 5:50 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve never been shy about that. The people that I know that know him think that he is a total a-hole!! They were telling a story of him all drunk in Vegas at a table and he was mad that the kid at the table took a hit (blackjack). The guy next to him said “chill out man” and hogan blew his cigarette in his face!! That’s one of a handful of stories like that. I don’t know why you defend this scrub so much? 

 

I honestly still believe that given the same opportunity Rogers could have caught 2 balls for 30 yards a game. I have no doubt about that.

Well D’Rick didn’t and no other team thought he was good enough.  But he can tell his kids that he could have been better than the guy who started on 3 SB teams.  

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On 4/12/2019 at 1:08 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Look at the fawning over the signing of tiny JAG Cole Beasley--one dimensional player who needs nearly 90 targets to get as many yards as Hogan gets in under 60. but he, like Hogan, fills a role---just a more limited one.

 

Terrible comparison. There's a reason Cole Beasley got signed for a 4 year $29 million contract, and Hogan is getting a 1 year deal with a maximum of $2 million for the year. Beasley is one of the best slot receivers in the league, Hogan is someone you borrow for a year while you wait for the real thing.

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On 4/12/2019 at 1:40 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

only Bills fans can think a guy who started for the Pats isn’t good enough for us.

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

On 4/12/2019 at 2:24 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s Andre Holmes that did a stint with Tom Brady.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

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21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

Nah unless we playing the “Da’Rick would have done the same made up stats” game.  Dude is far from a star but he made a career out of nothing and had a better career than 75% of guys drafted.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HolmAn00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HogaCh00.htm

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12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

had a better career than 75% of guys drafted.

 

Sure, because 75% of drafted players don't even become JAGs. He was worthy of starting for a team that lacked talent at receiver. He was good enough to produce as a #3 WR for a couple of seasons with the greatest QB of all time throwing him the ball. By NFL standards that's a solid career. But it doesn't mean we lost out on anything when he walked.

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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

Good comparison. Hogan wasn't expected to be a #1 for my Pats. He was signed to be a #3/4. He averaged 35 or so receptions with decent yardage. He came up huge in the 2016 playoffs. In short, he did his job...

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20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Terrible comparison. There's a reason Cole Beasley got signed for a 4 year $29 million contract, and Hogan is getting a 1 year deal with a maximum of $2 million for the year. Beasley is one of the best slot receivers in the league, Hogan is someone you borrow for a year while you wait for the real thing.

 

20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

 

NE had 2 WR with over 700 yards, a TE with over 650 and RB with 750.  They weren't hurting for WR's.  Hogan, as the #4 or #5 option had 532 yards on 35 catches (that's 15.2 per)----and he was "one of the problems"....how?

 

Talk Cowboys (a team that will have major weakness at WR right now) let Beasley walk for the loose change Jerry finds in his sofa.  Dak Prescott isn't exactly Tom Brady.  Why would they Beasely go when his QB will really be missing his slot target next season.   Plus, Jerry's going to have to waste a LOT of money on Cooper after this season...

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