Did we land a top 5 GM in Beane?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

No, he is number one !!!

 

 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He has the same exact record as Doug Whaley after 2 years.

 

That's terrible for Whaley. In 2015 we spent $210 million on our active roster which was #1 in the league. In 2018 we spent $160 million on our active roster which was #31 in the league. How did we end up with the same record while spending a lot less on the roster? That's awful use of cap space.

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

Whaley was a victim of the Peter Principle...was hired into a job one step further than what he was qualified for.  Good scout and talent evaluator -- horrible team builder and salary cap manager.

 

I think Beane clearly isn't as experienced as a scout but he knows that and has surrounded himself with those people.  He appears, at this early stage, to be quite proficient at the team building and salary cap management aspects of the job -- and the dude seems to know how to maneuver his way around a draft board!

This.

Everyone connected with the League knew about Beane as an up & comer in Carolina. The Bills were showered with praise for the hire. The Panthers didn’t want to lose him, but he was ready to move up and Pegs got the jump on them by hiring McDermott. They, Gil Brandt, Polian, other past and present GM’s, etc., knew, openly stated and continue to admire him in his 1st official GM post. That he has a coach he’s very familiar with, respects and works openly with, speaks volumes about our current status. No one need be reminded the hot mess they inherited here. Has he made some gaffs already? You betcha. Who hasn’t? But I share the belief of those who truly know that we are witnessing a match made in NFL Heaven.

[Bill_with_it]

To be determined, but my opinion is he is on his way there.

[HeHateMe]

Greatest GM of all time!  It's not even close.

[3rdnlng]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

 

The ability to try and make a trade for AB and then get turned down just can't be taught. ?

 

Make bad personnel decisions and then move on.... the talent just radiates from him.

 

 

15-17 record so far here....top 5? Best GM in the league for sure.??

[JPP]

With all the moves recently...If we have a strong season and are dangerous in the playoffs than definately YES IMO....

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's terrible for Whaley. In 2015 we spent $210 million on our active roster which was #1 in the league. In 2018 we spent $160 million on our active roster which was #31 in the league. How did we end up with the same record while spending a lot less on the roster? That's awful use of cap space.

 

 

The answer is because the head coach that the owners reached over Whaley to hire took a top 5 defense in 2014 and ran it into the ground..........they astonishingly finished near the bottom of the league in DVOA despite a wealth of talent.   

 

You can't compare Whaley and Beane without the context of the meddlesome management above him.

 

Russ picked his Syracuse buddy Marrone PRIOR to elevating Whaley and the Pegula's and Russ picked Rex.

 

The reason why Whaley had to go was because he wasn't proficient enough in the overall duties of the office to be a viable GM for greenhorn owners like The Pegs............who were woefully in over their heads when it comes to football operations.........WOEFULLY...........and they needed someone to come in,  take charge and anchor them.

 

"Scout only" GM's can be fine........John Butler was a "scout only" GM.......the Steelers where Whaley came from have had success with "scout only" GM's because the Rooneys don't need their collective hand held.

 

But it's hard to pull off when you have a culture of losing AND rudderless leadership from the owner.

 

Is Beane even a good GM?   It's hard to say.........the results aren't there yet.........but he IS the right kind of GM for The Pegs right now............and this is where we are on The Pegs learning curve as owners.   

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The answer is because the head coach that the owners reached over Whaley to hire took a top 5 defense in 2014 and ran it into the ground..........they astonishingly finished near the bottom of the league in DVOA despite a wealth of talent.   

 

You can't compare Whaley and Beane without the context of the meddlesome management above him.

 

Russ picked his Syracuse buddy Marrone PRIOR to elevating Whaley and the Pegula's and Russ picked Rex.

 

The reason why Whaley had to go was because he wasn't proficient enough in the overall duties of the office to be a viable GM for greenhorn owners like The Pegs............who were woefully in over their heads when it comes to football operations.........WOEFULLY...........and they needed someone to come in,  take charge and anchor them.

 

"Scout only" GM's can be fine........John Butler was a "scout only" GM.......the Steelers where Whaley came from have had success with "scout only" GM's because the Rooneys don't need their collective hand held.

 

But it's hard to pull off when you have a culture of losing AND rudderless leadership from the owner.

 

Is Beane even a good GM?   It's hard to say.........the results aren't there yet.........but he IS the right kind of GM for The Pegs right now............and this is where we are on The Pegs learning curve as owners.   

 

Can disagree with most of this....the success of a GM plays on "other factors"

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, hjnick said:

 

Interesting take.

 

I don't think Beane, in his grand plan, was planning on trying to make the playoffs that year.  Of course, he'll take it, but he knew the roster needed to be blown up.

 

If you are going to purge players/salary, he got a lot of value out of some of them so we could even have a shot at Josh.

Also, why stretch the dead money over years instead of just taking a 1 year hit and get rid of all the dead money in one shot.

 

We have made it thru, now let's see how he does.

This is a fair take and to be honest its all we can do now - look forward and evaluate his decisions/selections.

Barring a complete disaster he and McD will survive this year. But if Allen fails and no playoffs in 2019 or 2020 they are both gone

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea sorry.

 

Did you hear how he stuck up for the city of Buffalo? Dudes a top 5 GM. No question. 

I don't know what happened. I certainly didn't post a dark cloud picture. It must be just following you around.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Cleaned up salary cap disaster in one year

 

Wheeled and dealed to get into position to draft a franchise QB

 

Not afraid to roll the dice on an upside player, and more importantly, not afraid to admit a mistake and cut their ass if it doesn’t work

 

Addressed O-line and WR,  largest team weaknesses in FA, on team friendly deals without breaking the bank

 

Still has a top 10 draft pick in his pocket and nine other picks

 

Should have @$100 million in space next year to extend our own talent instead of watching it walk

 

Has the stones to go after AB, and the brains to walk away

 

Gets up in front of the entire NFL and national sports media and tells them all to suck his d*** for bad mouthing Buffalo

 

We’ll all see how it plays out on the field this season, but I think Beane has this franchise in the best shape it’s been in twenty years

 

 

It depends on which of the 5 draft strategy threads he chooses to subscribe to. 

[HappyDays]

35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Russ picked his Syracuse buddy Marrone PRIOR to elevating Whaley and the Pegula's and Russ picked Rex.

 

Did Russ also choose to spend 3 1st round picks on EJ Manuel and Sammy Watkins? It's hard to imagine a worse use of resources.

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

 

The ability to try and make a trade for AB and then get turned down just can't be taught. ?

 

Make bad personnel decisions and then move on.... the talent just radiates from him.

 

 

15-17 record so far here....top 5? Best GM in the league for sure.??

...Solid take as usual?

3 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Salary cap hell and moving up for Watkins is a good definition of a mess. Not getting a franchise QB wasn’t wise either. Letting Brandon have say on the football side- ya know, don’t let Rex out of the building, was another epic mistake and a piss poor coaching hire. 

 

Benjamin was a bad move but trading Dareus was smart- he wasnt worth his contract and now the slate is clean.

 

But really, it is time to start winning some games- until we string some good seasons together guys like me and you will continue with conversations that really dont mean all that much.

That was Brandon.(Dont let Rex out of the building)  If you are going to take on someones bad take make sure youre accurate.

Edited April 4, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[joevan]

Mahomes drafted April 2017 after KC switching pick with Bills.  

 

Beane hired May 2017.    Mahomes not on Beane.

[billsfan_34]

39 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

...Solid take as usual?

That was Brandon.(Dont let Rex out of the building)  If you are going to take on someones bad take make sure youre accurate.

I know it was Brandon- my point was Whaley allowed it. Please re read what I wrote- thanks.

Edited April 4, 2019 by billsfan_34

[Magnum Force]

I think so

[BADOLBILZ]

47 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Did Russ also choose to spend 3 1st round picks on EJ Manuel and Sammy Watkins? It's hard to imagine a worse use of resources.

 

 

Remember when trading back to select Manuel netted the 2013 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year in Kiko Alonso in round 2?

 

Remember when Watkins put up over 2K receiving yards in his first two seasons........a 70 yards per game average?

 

While I ALSO like Tre White and Allen and Edmunds..........none of them started out as good as Alonso or Watkins.........which is why so many people here were absolutely ga-ga over Whaley at the same point as McBeane are at now.

 

Let's hope that unexpected injuries don't derail any of the Bills current hight picks.........but it wasn't a given that Kiko and Watkins would be injury riddled.............nor did it look like the other 2013 second rounder Robert Woods would put up 1200 yards receiving in 2018 though either.    Ronald Darby was also probably a top 5 all time Bills second round pick.

 

The real shabby work of Whaley was drafting Shaq and Ragnuts to appease Rex Ryan's needs.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

We'll know we have a top 5 GM when we are one of the top 5 teams in the league.  A good place to start would be home playoff win.

[SoTier]

 

4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

McCarron was the miss by Beane not Peterman as a perceived backup.

Benjamin quitting they way he did is just dumbfounding.  He probably wasn't ever going to be a 1WR but my god when was the last

time you seen a player with his earlier career talent just completely give up?

 

I have not and will not call Beane a top 5 GM today but his results this year will weigh heavy on his future.

I'm waiting to see who the 90 are that go to camp.

 

Peterman's play in 2017 should have been a red flag to Beane ... and apparently it wasn't.  

McCarron "wasn't who they thought he was" because either Beane was too ignorant to realize that McCarron was looking for a real shot at a starting gig or realized that but didn't care and misled McCarron to get him to sign.

Rather than signing another backup QB immediately after McCarron was traded, Beane waited around for a month while Anderson finished his golf tourney.

As for Benjamin, he had played poorly in Carolina prior to his trade, supposedly because of injuries, and had already been supplanted there by Funchess.

 

1 hour ago, joevan said:

Mahomes drafted April 2017 after KC switching pick with Bills.  

 

Beane hired May 2017.    Mahomes not on Beane.

 

Well, according to the Beane cheerleaders on TSW, Beane had input into the Bills 2017 draft despite being an assistant GM for the Panthers.  In that scenario, then, passing on Mahomes would have to count against Beane.  The McBeane bot army can't have it both ways.