LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Doc said: How about this stat: the Cheaters have virtually the same winning percentage with and without the Cretin? Brady has started for 18 seasons, 9 with Gronk and 9 without. He has 3 rings with Gronk and 3 without. Did he really make them much better or as I said before was it the best coach and QB ever that got them 6 rings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Doc said: How about this stat: the Cheaters have virtually the same winning percentage with and without the Cretin? 4 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Ok, Gronk caught 397 passes that got a first down, Tony caught 864 passes that netted a first down. Your stat and Tony kills him in another one. Receiving yards for a career Tony ranks 5th, Gronk ranks 104th. He only played in 115 games, not nearly enough to put him in the discussion for best TE ever. Sorry, gents. He was the tight end of the most dominant dynasty in NFL history and has the same number of Super Bowl rings as Tony Gonzalez has children. He led the league in TDs once (entire league; not just tight ends); he was comeback player of the year; and he was a 4 time first-team All Pro (not that Pro Bowl garbage). I'm not saying he was a better TE than Gonzalez. I am absolutely saying that he accomplished more and he's a walk-in first ballot Hall of Famer. You just have sand in your kitties because he wasn't a Bill. If he was, you'd have loved him. Just like you should, anyway. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Sorry, gents. He was the tight end of the most dominant dynasty in NFL history and has the same number of Super Bowl rings as Tony Gonzalez has children. He led the league in TDs once (entire league; not just tight ends); he was comeback player of the year; and he was a 4 time first-team All Pro (not that Pro Bowl garbage). I'm not saying he was a better TE than Gonzalez. I am absolutely saying that he accomplished more and he's a walk-in first ballot Hall of Famer. You just have sand in your kitties because he wasn't a Bill. If he was, you'd have loved him. Just like you should, anyway. I’m glad he's stepping away, and has apparently been very smart with his money. The guy came in goofy, I’d hate to see him leave TOO goofy. Have a great life! . Edited March 25, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, ricko1112 said: Yup. All the cheap shots opponents put on him game after game. He was grabbed, tackled, and pummeled on every play. 9 years of abuse and he only let his emotions get the better of him one time... You don't think that was earned? Gronk pushed off more than any other player that I can recall to get open, and got away with it. I'd imagine a lot of defenders knew this and got pissed off. Gronk has nothing to cry about. Good riddance to that neanderthal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Sorry, gents. He was the tight end of the most dominant dynasty in NFL history and has the same number of Super Bowl rings as Tony Gonzalez has children. He led the league in TDs once (entire league; not just tight ends); he was comeback player of the year; and he was a 4 time first-team All Pro (not that Pro Bowl garbage). I'm not saying he was a better TE than Gonzalez. I am absolutely saying that he accomplished more and he's a walk-in first ballot Hall of Famer. You just have sand in your kitties because he wasn't a Bill. If he was, you'd have loved him. Just like you should, anyway. Pfft....he played with the best QB ever, for his entire career. Very much like the careers of fellow teammates Wes Welker, Julian Edelman & heck even Deion Branch, Tom made them much better than they would've been elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, ricko1112 said: Yup. All the cheap shots opponents put on him game after game. He was grabbed, tackled, and pummeled on every play. 9 years of abuse and he only let his emotions get the better of him one time... Get bent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, stony said: He cheap-shotted Tre, but he'll go down as one of the best three athletes to come out of Buffalo ever. Spahn, Gronk & Kane. Rank em how you want. I'd rank Bob Lanier (Bennett High School, St. Bonnie) and Randy Smith (Buff State and NBA Buffalo Braves, who also could have been a professional soccer player) right up there with the best of them. Imho, Randy Smith was one of the greatest athletes ever in any sport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Absolutely agree Boat, 115 games is not enough and durability was an issue with Gronk after his first 2 years. Like I said before it's like comparing Calvin Johnson(Who played 9 years) & Jerry Rice. Yards per game go to Calvin, but career easily goes to Rice. Yeah but Rice played before QB's were given skirts, DB's were allowed to interfere and offenses were opened-up. 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: Sorry, gents. He was the tight end of the most dominant dynasty in NFL history and has the same number of Super Bowl rings as Tony Gonzalez has children. He led the league in TDs once (entire league; not just tight ends); he was comeback player of the year; and he was a 4 time first-team All Pro (not that Pro Bowl garbage). I'm not saying he was a better TE than Gonzalez. I am absolutely saying that he accomplished more and he's a walk-in first ballot Hall of Famer. You just have sand in your kitties because he wasn't a Bill. If he was, you'd have loved him. Just like you should, anyway. Sorry Gugs but if your presence doesn't mean jack ***** to your team winning or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 As much as I can't stand him for the Tre White BS, Gronk is arguably the greatest TE ever. But arguing that the Pats success during his career somehow makes him better (or diminishes another TEs career that wasn't a Pat) makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Ernie Banks must have sucked. Different sport. Stats are very important in MLB, mostly irrelevant in the NFL other than W-L. I would never try to throw any shade on Ernie Banks... I would say Phil Rizzuto had a better career, but that’s just me, GO YANKEES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, 2ForMacAdoo said: I'd rank Bob Lanier (Bennett High School, St. Bonnie) and Randy Smith (Buff State and NBA Buffalo Braves, who also could have been a professional soccer player) right up there with the best of them. Imho, Randy Smith was one of the greatest athletes ever in any sport Not sure if anyone mentioned Christian Laettner....he would definitely be top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: Not sure if anyone mentioned Christian Laettner....he would definitely be top 10. I’d say Laettner was #1 for most in need of a punch in the face. Gronk was #1 for most in need of a kick in the nuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Pfft....he played with the best QB ever, for his entire career. Very much like the careers of fellow teammates Wes Welker, Julian Edelman & heck even Deion Branch, Tom made them much better than they would've been elsewhere. "But the only players in league history with more touchdown catches before turning 30 are Hall of Famers Randy Moss and Jerry Rice, according to ESPN's Stats & Information research." **From an article on gronk** He was a ridiculous tight end. Great all around blocking and receiving. He was an great tight end prospect who came with a significant red flag of injury risk. You act like he was some dumpster diving trash tight end coming out of college. He was a lock for the first round if he didn't have the serious injury concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: Not sure if anyone mentioned Christian Laettner....he would definitely be top 10. Yep, Laetner played at Nichols High School. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Glad he is getting out with full use of his faculties, as limited as they were to begin with. ? Glad Tre White still has full use of HIS... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: "But the only players in league history with more touchdown catches before turning 30 are Hall of Famers Randy Moss and Jerry Rice, according to ESPN's Stats & Information research." **From an article on gronk** He was a ridiculous tight end. Great all around blocking and receiving. He was an great tight end prospect who came with a significant red flag of injury risk. You act like he was some dumpster diving trash tight end coming out of college. He was a lock for the first round if he didn't have the serious injury concerns. Thank God we drafted an injury risk free Torell Troup in lieu of Gronk...oh wait... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 If you include Rochester...I know it's a stretch lol....Jon Bones Jones is arguably the best MMA fighter of all time. And don't forget Baby Joe Mesi lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: "But the only players in league history with more touchdown catches before turning 30 are Hall of Famers Randy Moss and Jerry Rice, according to ESPN's Stats & Information research." **From an article on gronk** He was a ridiculous tight end. Great all around blocking and receiving. He was an great tight end prospect who came with a significant red flag of injury risk. You act like he was some dumpster diving trash tight end coming out of college. He was a lock for the first round if he didn't have the serious injury concerns. Moss played in 215 games, Jerry Rice played in 303 games and Gronk played in 115 games. A good part of being in the discussion of an all time great is longevity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 We never could stop him. Bottom line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Ok back to the topic....glad Gronk retired....wish it was Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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