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Or maybe we just overpaid significantly for Morse 

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Didn’t Morse have some injury concerns? Concussion maybe?

 

Yes, and while concussions are risky, he's younger and hasn't shown any signs of body wear/tear like Paradis.

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14 minutes ago, krf139 said:

Or maybe we just overpaid significantly for Morse 

 

2 FA centers on market worthy of pursuit. One older and more wear and tear.. I think we paid a fair FA price for a player who can stick around for a few years and has the ability to play at a high level with Josh for the entire contract

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18 minutes ago, krf139 said:

Or maybe we just overpaid significantly for Morse 

Morse was offered 10 mil by the jets. It’s the price of doing business in free agency. 

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None of this could be Elway trying to save face with the fans while he enters year 2 of his "rent a declining veteran QB" strategy?  No way, right?

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I read Paradis has bad hips as well.

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Just now, Doc said:

I read Paradis has bad hips as well.

 

and just think of this; with bad hips and a broken leg he is still better than Bodine and Groy

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I think the key here, in my mind anyway, is that Morse is the better player. Beane also wanted a bigger body, which Paradis does not provide. Obviously PFF says one thing, but Morse is better across the board. I think the PFF stuff is cool, but I don't put too much weight on it. I don't know that I expected Morse to get more money than Paradis, but I'm not surprised. 

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4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think the key here, in my mind anyway, is that Morse is the better player. Beane also wanted a bigger body, which Paradis does not provide. Obviously PFF says one thing, but Morse is better across the board. I think the PFF stuff is cool, but I don't put too much weight on it. I don't know that I expected Morse to get more money than Paradis, but I'm not surprised. 

 

I think that they are a little closer together overall as players than you.... it's nip and tuck for me.... but I certainly see the argument that Morse is a better fit for what the Bills want schematically up front (on the basis that I don't expect the blocking scheme to change radically with a new OL coach).

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14 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

and just think of this; with bad hips and a broken leg he is still better than Bodine and Groy

 

 

As is an empty pocket of air

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49 minutes ago, krf139 said:

Or maybe we just overpaid significantly for Morse 

Just stop.  Morse is a very good center and we needed one badly.  His contract will in no way impede us in the future in keeping players or signing free agents.  Either you are being negative for the sake of it, or don't understand how the cap works.

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Morse is a much better player. 

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I don't really trust NFL GM's public quotes about players, especially their ex-players, in general, and John Elway's in particular. Still interesting stuff and worthy to read though. Thx. 

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1 hour ago, krf139 said:

Or maybe we just overpaid significantly for Morse 

Dude, you are on a straight roll! We havent seen the likes of this dynamic posting since...well, maybe ever!!! (Honorable mention to DD and his numberous handles)

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48 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Just stop.  Morse is a very good center and we needed one badly.  His contract will in no way impede us in the future in keeping players or signing free agents.  Either you are being negative for the sake of it, or don't understand how the cap works.

 

His contract is front loaded so much and tied to roster bonuses etc that it really is no burden at all for us. 2 years we can cut bait if necessary and save cap space

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1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think the key here, in my mind anyway, is that Morse is the better player. Beane also wanted a bigger body, which Paradis does not provide. Obviously PFF says one thing, but Morse is better across the board. I think the PFF stuff is cool, but I don't put too much weight on it. I don't know that I expected Morse to get more money than Paradis, but I'm not surprised. 

 

Great points.  Yeah, I'll take the younger guy (Morse) with less wear on his body, and who hasn't given up a sack and I think only one QB hit since his rookie year?    If they did, I'm not sure how PFF had Paradis as the better player.  

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2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Didn’t Morse have some injury concerns? Concussion maybe?

 

He's had 3 concussions in the last 4 years, the last of which landed him in concussion protocol for 5 weeks. There's a lot of wishful thinking at this time of the year to simply hand-wave this sort of thing off, but it is a concern. The man plays in the trenches.

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Morse is younger, better fit for our blocking scheme and will allow Allen stability as he grows. Morse was my biggest want in FA and couldnt be happier with how they are handling the future of the Bills. I am always rabid bills fan and living in Pittsburgh i get a lot of flack, but this year we are raising brows in Yinser Country. Go Buffalo, im a believer in Mcdermott and Bean.

 

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My HUNCH is that team's don't view concussions the same way they view other injuries. In all seriousness, how many careers have been cut short because of concussions? It happens, and there are some recent Bills' examples, but it seems like something that will affect Morse post career more than it will during the duration of his contract.

 

I think the risk with concussion issues has more to do with a player deciding to hang it up as opposed to knee/back type things that render a player unable to perform.

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10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

My HUNCH is that team's don't view concussions the same way they view other injuries. In all seriousness, how many careers have been cut short because of concussions? It happens, and there are some recent Bills' examples, but it seems like something that will affect Morse post career more than it will during the duration of his contract.

 

I think the risk with concussion issues has more to do with a player deciding to hang it up as opposed to knee/back type things that render a player unable to perform.

It's surely something to monitor, and certainly something the Bills seriously checked out with doctors prior to giving him an 11m a year contract that made him the highest paid C.

 

Another way to look at it is that he has had one in three years. I believe he had two his rookie season. While four is a lot any way you look at it, and again, a cause for concern, if Morse got the first two in his last year in college, and had only one in his three years in the NFL, teams and fans wouldn't seem to have the same worry.

 

Obviously, it is something the Bills discussed at length and came to the conclusion it wasn't a disqualifier. If he gets one this year, however, then there is reason for deep concern. 

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https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/5/27/17399220/denver-broncos-matt-paradis-health

 

Sounds like his hip issues were (and/or are) pretty serious. 

 

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As that story notes, he’s dealt with hip and injury issues since his sophomore year at Boise State University.

 

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On the latest MHR Radio Podcast, Adam Malnati and I couldn’t believe Paradis was able to walk let alone play in the NFL with his hips in the condition they were in. To get an idea of how bad it was for him, he hasn’t been able to do squats since he was a sophomore. That is remarkable.

 

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“It was do (the surgery) or consider retiring,” he (Paradis) said. “It was bad.

 

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 “That surgery can be kind of a temperamental surgery. Not everyone that gets it, recovers. I think the doctors I went to are phenomenal. I think they have a very high percentage rate of success. I’ve dealt with this since my sophomore year of college. So every time I talk to a doctor, they just go, ‘Well, only about 60 percent of people get pain recovery from it.’ You just kind of delay it and delay it until you can’t play anymore. Luckily we delayed it long enough to where they could send me up the mountain to the world’s best surgeons.”

 

 

I don’t know if it’s still an ongoing issue, or if his hips are healthy now. 

But even if his hips are healthy, I would imagine that a surgery of that nature carries some future risks. If it didn’t, I would think that he would have has it done sooner? 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Yes, and while concussions are risky, he's younger and hasn't shown any signs of body wear/tear like Paradis.

Plus, Paradis is still rehabbing from that leg injury and while he should be ready to play by the start of the season, it isn’t a 100% guarantee. 

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2 hours ago, krf139 said:

Or maybe we just overpaid significantly for Morse 

 

Yes, maybe.  ...

 

Thank you for your contribution and welcome aboard! We don’t have nearly enough negative fans here.

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One question that I have not heard, is why Kansas City did not try to sign Morse long term?  Do they already have a replacement in mind? I like the fact he is younger and I generally agree that they had to overpay.  There was just too much money for all of the teams to spend.  Bills have the luxury of a roster devoid of talent and therefore can spend now. 

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