3rdnlng Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-socialism-turned-venezuela-from-the-wealthiest-country-in-south-america-into-an-economic-basket-case Chavez succeeded in re-writing the Constitution, which came with new rights to things like free government-provided health care, college, and “social justice”. The constitution passed a popular vote easily, with 72% of the vote. The basic structure of both the old and new constitutions followed the U.S. model – with a Presidency, a legislative branch, and a Supreme Court. However, after several Supreme Court rulings went against Chavez, in 2004 he “stacked the court” by passing a law to add 12 new justices to it – justices that he got to pick. A similar move was once proposed in the United States by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and the idea has also been proposed recently by professors angry about President Trump’s nomination of Justice Brett Kavanaugh to the court. Only once Chavez had control of the courts and the legislature did he begin to fully advance socialist policies. VENEZUELA'S LEADERSHIP CRISIS 'CANNOT BE IGNORED' AS WORLD PICKS WHETHER TO BACK MADURO OR SUPPORT OPPONENT GUIADO Video “A series of changes started to show us the terrifying truth,” Giannina Raffo said. “Constant attacks on private property, the implementation of very harmful economic policies, criminalization of dissent, censorship, etc,” In 2006, Chavez ran for election on an overtly socialist platform, and soon after he won, he began major seizures privately-owned property. Thousands of private businesses were nationalized – including media outlets, oil and power companies, mines, farms, banks, factories, and grocery stores. One video shows a shop owner in tears as his business is confiscated for charging higher prices than were allowed. Through the nationalizations, Americans from Michael Moore to Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz often applauded Chavez’s regime. In beginning, Chavez had shown some progress in reducing poverty – something experts say was possible by spending Venezuela’s vast oil wealth. “They were able to fund a lot with the oil money, and when oil prices went down, the rest of the economy had been just destroyed,” Tom Palmer, Executive VP at the Atlas Network, told Fox News. Does anyone know what Venezuelans used for light before candles? ELECTRICITY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Sounds an awful lot like the "new" democratic platform 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) you might not agree with what is being said, but for a good look at the situation outside of the MSM propaganda, Moon of Alabama has a few good threads on the situation. as with everything, your discernment is a must but having an open mind helps in most situations. Edited March 17, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 When do we invade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 57 minutes ago, #34fan said: When do we invade? What's your recommendation? Usually the fascists advocate going in hard and fast, so I'm assuming you're insisting on "soon"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, #34fan said: When do we invade? Who needs to invade and steal their things when the democrats can take their ideas for free? Then we can create our own things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Usually the fascists advocate going in hard and fast I guess you'd know better than anybody. 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Who needs to invade and steal their things when the democrats can take their ideas for free? Then we can create our own things. Are you FKM? -A U.S.-Backed coup to overthrow commies in South America would be the most Reaganistic thing Trump could do at this point... A foreign-policy jackpot for Trump, and Trumpsters worldwide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, #34fan said: I guess you'd know better than anybody. Are you FKM? -A U.S.-Backed coup to overthrow commies in South America would be the most Reaganistic thing Trump could do at this point... A foreign-policy jackpot for Trump, and Trumpsters worldwide! You're living in the 80s dude. Back then Reagan tricked everyone into thinking communism wouldn't work so of course it was a foreign policy jackpot. Trump can't run that game anymore because Chavez has shown the world the glory of the system that Bernie and AOC can bring to our shores. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: You're living in the 80s dude. Back then Reagan tricked everyone into thinking communism wouldn't work so of course it was a foreign policy jackpot. Trump can't run that game anymore because Chavez has shown the world the glory of the system that Bernie and AOC can bring to our shores. Yah, but Chavez is dead. Trump could meet Maduro in a productive, worthwhile summit.... Like he did with North Korea! -Oh, wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) Geez it seemed like yesterday The Economizer boasted about how the geniuses in Peru and Venezuela were going to wisely combine their massive natural resources with highly evolved socialist theory to make their countries a Utopia wrong for the 35th straight time, and they will most definitely prop up every new thieving regime glowingly for the next 1000 years Edited March 17, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, #34fan said: Yah, but Chavez is dead. Trump could meet Maduro in a productive, worthwhile summit.... Like he did with North Korea! -Oh, wait! Said like a true non-patriot. Why do you lefties wish for America to fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, #34fan said: Yah, but Chavez is dead. Trump could meet Maduro in a productive, worthwhile summit.... Like he did with North Korea! -Oh, wait! Or...we could send them a plane load of cash! Or...we could send Trump in to apologize for US imperialism! Or...we could remind them that ‘they didn’t build that’! -Oh wait! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, #34fan said: Yah, but Chavez is dead. Trump could meet Maduro in a productive, worthwhile summit.... Like he did with North Korea! -Oh, wait! But maybe Maduro could convince Trump that America should come around to the Chavez/#34 vision. Trump, being an evil capitalist should be easily swayed. Here is a preview of the encounter: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I have just one question for the liberals on here, why do you want/seek a bigger government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: I have just one question for the liberals on here, why do you want/seek a bigger government? Oh that is very simple. They know better than us how to make it through life. Well it's really more of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Times are sure tough there. That or the WSJ has been had by The Onion https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-venezuela-some-crime-no-longer-pays-11552642201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Come on, no one will answer my question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Come on, no one will answer my question? You are asking that question of very few people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, #34fan said: I guess you'd know better than anybody. The “I know you are, but what am I?” gambit. Well done, sir. I am chastened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You are asking that question of very few people here. I know there are some libs on here and would like to hear their reasoning for a bigger government, why they like the idea of government controlling so many aspects of their lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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