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I will start by saying I have a huge man-crush on Josh Allen.  I found him to be one of the brightest spots of last year, especially after he came back.

 

But his working this off season, his immediate contact with all free agent signees. . .this kid wants to run this team.  So, my question to all of you. . .if you think Allen it, what play made you believe he's the franchise QB?

 

For me. . .it was one play.  The hurdle run.  That showed me exactly what this kid is and has.

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Intangibles!!!!

A word thrown around a lot.

Arm talent without leadership abilities looks like Jeff George.

I agree. Seeing him call them is a team building gesture that makes a true Billiever smile.

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I think he’s gonna be great long term but still needs another year to get that foundation.  I’ll try and be patient 😁

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The hurdle or his TD to Foster against Jacksonville. That ball moved so fast and he got absolutely crunched. Saw it live and thought to myself "About 5 QBs ever could make that throw, that was incredible"

 

The entire Miami game was beautiful start to finish. That was the game that made me a believer that he was going to be not only good enough to win some games, but great enough to win some playoff games

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He made his fair share of "wow" plays this year. Plays that make you sit up and take notice. One of my favorite plays of his that gave me a lot of hope for his future was the 75-yard TD toss to Foster vs. Jacksonville. Kid hung in the pocket until the last possible second and let it fly. I still don't know how he get that throw off with the pocket collapsing the way it was. When I saw that play live I was like, "Doh, sack" and then you see the ball fly out of there and hit Foster perfectly in stride and he takes it in for six. Thing of beauty. Allen has a lot of positive things going for him, if he keeps putting in the work I think he's gonna be a good one. Even if we gotta live with a few erratic throws or "what the hell?" kinda plays from him, I'm all in.

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I loved the Vikings game but he sort of fell off a cliff after that up until the injury. The moment when I got REALLY excited about him was the jags game when he threw that long TD with a flick of the wrist, despite having three defenders on him.

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There were a lot of wow plays for me, my personal favorite was the run where he made Kiko look like a fool. But it has to be the Jacksonville play that made me believe we have someone special.

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The hurdle was 1.  The second was when he tried to play after hurting his elbow and could barely throw.  Yeah, it didn't work out, but he showed me that he was willing to try and play through pain (and i'm sure that was damn painful).  That's a level of toughness and dedication not everyone possesses.  Like Jimbo toughness.

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The first Dolphins game did it for me.

MULTIPLE big time throws in that one.

The TD where he rolled out right and hit Zay in the end zone, on the move, for 6.

The 3rd and long from his own end zone where he threw a rope to Zay for a 1st down.

The play where he stepped up in the pocket and threw a laser to double-covered Zay Jones before he was even open, resulting in a touchdown.

The multiple insane runs where he made Kiko Alonso look like a high schooler trying to play pro ball.

The drive at the end of the game that was one better throw or better catch away from resulting in the go-ahead score.

That was my favorite Josh Allen game to date.

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The TD pass against the Jags was his moment with me. It was a thing of beauty. 

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14 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

He made his fair share of "wow" plays this year. Plays that make you sit up and take notice. One of my favorite plays of his that gave me a lot of hope for his future was the 75-yard TD toss to Foster vs. Jacksonville. Kid hung in the pocket until the last possible second and let it fly. I still don't know how he get that throw off with the pocket collapsing the way it was. When I saw that play live I was like, "Doh, sack" and then you see the ball fly out of there and hit Foster perfectly in stride and he takes it in for six. Thing of beauty. Allen has a lot of positive things going for him, if he keeps putting in the work I think he's gonna be a good one. Even if we gotta live with a few erratic throws or "what the hell?" kinda plays from him, I'm all in.

 

 Me too, one of the best throws I've seen ever.

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21 minutes ago, Seoulful Soul said:

So, my question to all of you. . .if you think Allen it, what play made you believe he's the franchise QB?

 

 

 

 

Hunh?

 

Not sure what you mean so I'll answer my own question.

 

If you already think he's shown he's the franchise QB, I'd argue your threshhold for "franchise QB" is too low. He's still got a lot to prove. And it won't be a play that makes him the franchise QB if he gets there, it'll be the consistency of his play and particularly his passing over a long period of time.

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27 minutes ago, Seoulful Soul said:

I will start by saying I have a huge man-crush on Josh Allen.  I found him to be one of the brightest spots of last year, especially after he came back.

 

But his working this off season, his immediate contact with all free agent signees. . .this kid wants to run this team.  So, my question to all of you. . .if you think Allen it, what play made you believe he's the franchise QB?

 

For me. . .it was one play.  The hurdle run.  That showed me exactly what this kid is and has.

I do not believe he's anything close to a franchise QB and I think that will become more evident as the season unfolds.

 

A lot of the excuses made in support of him last year will not be available this year with much better OL, better WR targets, etc.

 

PS:  I don't think anyone is questioning his heart, commitment, or even leadership skills.  But those things are not necessary to be a good QB in this league, and they are not nearly enough to overcome Allen's deficiencies at the position.

 

 

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While ppl look at Allens size, cannon arm, and athletic ability.....what gets lost in all of that is that Josh Allen just gets it when it comes to being a starting QB of a team.......

 

he knows what he is supposed to do...he is a natural

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I do not believe he's anything close to a franchise QB and I think that will become more evident as the season unfolds.

 

A lot of the excuses made in support of him last year will not be available this year with much better OL, better WR targets, etc.

 

PS:  I don't think anyone is questioning his heart, commitment, or even leadership skills.  But those things are not necessary to be a good QB in this league, and they are not nearly enough to overcome Allen's deficiencies at the position.

 

 

I think your wrong

 

but your entitled to your opinion

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I don't think we've seen the best of Josh Allen yet.  He just learned how to walk last season.  It should only get better as he builds off of what he learned and did last year.

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26 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

The hurdle or his TD to Foster against Jacksonville. That ball moved so fast and he got absolutely crunched. Saw it live and thought to myself "About 5 QBs ever could make that throw, that was incredible"

 

The entire Miami game was beautiful start to finish. That was the game that made me a believer that he was going to be not only good enough to win some games, but great enough to win some playoff games

 

Perfect summary!  The hurdle earned the respect of his teammates early in the season and showed his competitive fire.  The TD to Foster showed that he can make big league QB plays.  And then the last game against Miami summarized a year of learning, growth and progress by putting together such a complete game; blowout victory, 65% completion rate, 3 TDs, nearly 100 yds running and 2 more TDs.  Relevant progress at every stage

 

#ready4year2!

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The respect his teammates seem to vocally have for him, his progression through the last 6 weeks, and the handful of ridiculous plays made through said progression.

 

 

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He is the leader of this team now. 

Pretty much all the free agents that signed with us all said they came here to play with Josh Allen. 

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This off season and this next season has to be all about the quick, short timing passes. If he gets that part of his game going, the kid will be unstoppable. 

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49 minutes ago, Seoulful Soul said:

I will start by saying I have a huge man-crush on Josh Allen.  I found him to be one of the brightest spots of last year, especially after he came back.

 

But his working this off season, his immediate contact with all free agent signees. . .this kid wants to run this team.  So, my question to all of you. . .if you think Allen it, what play made you believe he's the franchise QB?

 

For me. . .it was one play.  The hurdle run.  That showed me exactly what this kid is and has.

 

Mine was the week before that in the loss to the Chargers.

 

It was when Allen was running up to the defense in the 2nd half trying to rally them to get a stop so he can try and get us back in the game of what had been an atrocious first half.  And the defense responded and played much better in the 2nd half and the team carried all that momentum on the road against the Vikes the next week.  Thats when Josh played out of his mind for the first time too.    

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30 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I do not believe he's anything close to a franchise QB and I think that will become more evident as the season unfolds.

 

A lot of the excuses made in support of him last year will not be available this year with much better OL, better WR targets, etc.

 

PS:  I don't think anyone is questioning his heart, commitment, or even leadership skills.  But those things are not necessary to be a good QB in this league, and they are not nearly enough to overcome Allen's deficiencies at the position.

 

 

 

Would love to read you expert analysis on all his deficiencies.  It sure as hell isn't his arm strength, mobility, leadership, or heart.  I bet here come the bad accuracy diagnosis...well, it's kind of hard to have high completion % when your WRs and TEs drop balls left and right and you have such tight windows to throw in since they cannot create any separation that the margin for error is so small.  Ok, he misses an open guy once in a while, but guess what?  So does Brady, so does Breeze, so does Mahomes (or did you miss that wide open guy he missed in the endzone in the playoffs?).  Don't be afraid to embrace this kid.  Jump on in, the water is warm.  Enjoy the ride and don't be a miserable SOB Debbie Downer.

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53 minutes ago, Logic said:


The 3rd and long from his own end zone where he threw a rope to Zay for a 1st down.

This play you reference is probably my favorite play of the season.  It is this one, or the back shoulder to foster down the field against the Jets, or the back shoulder TD to foster the last game of the year.  To me, those are throws that a buffalo qb hasn’t made in forever.

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The QB is always the de facto leader of a team, but some do not take to the role very well.  Fergy was that type of guy in Bills history, never seemed comfortable in that role.  Allen not only is the facto leader, but wants that role.  And from what I've seen so far he'll be good in that role.  

 

Like all the second year QBs he has work to do and improvements to make.  But he seems to have the work ethic, leadership skills and respect of teammates that are essential if he is to succeed.

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