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What is fair trade value for Clowney?

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Too much.  I think they have visions of the K. Mack deal in their mind. I see a couple of of possibly very good and possibly elite production years (2), but what happens when he falls off and we're stuck?  I think it's downhill from here.  The Bills don't have a JJ Watt type of player opposite of him.  I know everyone is super excited about FA and trades, but has any team been the FA champions and won anything?  Look at all the cuts that have been made, just a short time ago a number of team and fans were excited to have them, now they can't get rid of them soon enough.    

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We're picking 9th and they they're picking 23rd. So without Clowney they'd have to give us their two 2nd round picks(54 and 55).

 

So would you rather have Clowney or picks 54 and 55? 

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a Swap would be the most value I would give up (that would be 2 seconds).

 

A better would be a conditional 2020 pick that could escalate depending on re-signing and play triggers

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I feel the Dee Ford trade laid out this trade market pretty well. I wouldn’t give up more than a 2nd rounder for Clowney. The problem is, it isn’t just a 2nd for Clowney. The true cost is the 2nd and the opportunity cost of the lost cap dollars. In Clowney’s case you are probably looking at 18-20 million per year. That’s a whole lot of cap.  

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NFL's quick release offense it going to make it harder and harder to justify paying top money for pass rushers IMO.  

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I don't mind any trade for Clowney as long as we get to keep some type of 1st Rd pick this year! Even if we give up a 4th or 5th also. 

 

I don't care what his contract will be cause whatever it is... it will be inflated with bonus perks for Clowney to try & reach like Mario Williams did. 

 

Mario got a ton of money...but man for majority of his contract, it was well worth it. That D-Line was monstrous 

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17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

NFL's quick release offense it going to make it harder and harder to justify paying top money for pass rushers IMO.  

That is interesting and probably true, but wouldn’t that increase the value of a good pass rushing DT? Shortest distance is a straight line.

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6 minutes ago, chris heff said:

That is interesting and probably true, but wouldn’t that increase the value of a good pass rushing DT? Shortest distance is a straight line.

I would think so.  Fast way to slow a quick release offense is pressure in the face

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29 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

I don't mind any trade for Clowney as long as we get to keep some type of 1st Rd pick this year! Even if we give up a 4th or 5th also. 

 

I don't care what his contract will be cause whatever it is... it will be inflated with bonus perks for Clowney to try & reach like Mario Williams did. 

 

Mario got a ton of money...but man for majority of his contract, it was well worth it. That D-Line was monstrous 

I'd love me some JaDaveon. His stock seems at its lowest right now but I've seen him take over games. Dude can ball!

 

Plus he'd move back into his position as a 4-3 DE right. Texans playing 3-4?

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Trading a 2ND rounder would be good for Buffalo.

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If going that route, trading for a franchised player, give me Frank Clark, swapping 1st rd picks should do it

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2 hours ago, YodaMan79 said:

Too much.  I think they have visions of the K. Mack deal in their mind. I see a couple of of possibly very good and possibly elite production years (2), but what happens when he falls off and we're stuck?  I think it's downhill from here.  The Bills don't have a JJ Watt type of player opposite of him.  I know everyone is super excited about FA and trades, but has any team been the FA champions and won anything?  Look at all the cuts that have been made, just a short time ago a number of team and fans were excited to have them, now they can't get rid of them soon enough.    

The chiefs set the bar with Dee Ford imo. Clowney will fetch slightly more, but no one is giving up for clowney what the bears gave up for Mack 

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Interesting. I have not been a big Clowney fan, but his PFF grade says he is the real deal. Yes Cash for him would be big, however he would turn our Defense from very good to elite. Hughes would have a field day out there creating mayhem.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/jadeveon-clowney/8636

 

I do agree that swapping #1's or giving up a #2 may be enough. Houston could get another LB on the cheap and we still get a solid TE/DT/OL/WR at 23.

 

 

 

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All this Clowney stuff started with a bogus rumor citing a trash source on this message board. Buffalo will not give up what the Texans will ask and it’s not like there is a substantiated report that they are actually seeking to rid themselves of him. 

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8 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

I'd love me some JaDaveon. His stock seems at its lowest right now but I've seen him take over games. Dude can ball!

 

Plus he'd move back into his position as a 4-3 DE right. Texans playing 3-4?

Don't quote me on it 😅 but yea I think they do play a 3-4.

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I would rather sign Ansah if his shoulder checks out and get an impact player at 9 such as Oliver.  If I knew that lets say Hockenson would be available at 23.....the trade would have a lot more appeal to me then. lol That is if we knew we could get him for a swap of 1sts and a sweetener.  

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12 hours ago, BrycePaup4ever said:

Swap 1st rounders in 19.

 

Give Texans 2nd or 3rd in 2020.

 

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Way off, he’s worth a 3rd imo. 

 

Too many good players coming out at dline this year

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It is usually a bad idea to give up significant draft compensation and cap space for a player (of course there are exceptions like the Mack trade which work out for the team trading for the big name player.) But I would imagine that the Texans are probably going to want significant compensation and Clowney is going to want an extension or wind up a pricy rental. I think it would take the Bills 2ndand 4thround picks or a 2ndplus a swap of first round picks. Which isn’t super steep like the Odell trade but hardly a buy low situation either. 

 

I wouldn’t want Clowney unless the draft compensation was limited to a 3rdplus a mid-rounder. Cap wise the team has about 10-20 million to play with after you factor in rookie contracts and emergency money. There is also some fat they can cut on the roster like Ivory, DiMarco, and Vlad who could free up about 5 million dollars in space if needed. So the cap in this situation shouldn’t be an issue to make another significant trade/signing. 

 

I think it wouldn’t be in the Bills best interest to pull off such a trade for Clowney. I do like Clowney and I think in a 4-3 he could be an absolute beast. But I also think he is injury prone and can be a bit volatile personality wise. I think getting Ziggy on a one year deal would be a nice cherry on top of a good free agency period (I also wouldn’t mind seeing them sign EJ Gaines on the cheap too) it would add one needed piece to the defense and make the draft come from an even stronger position of strength. 

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10 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

NFL's quick release offense it going to make it harder and harder to justify paying top money for pass rushers IMO.  


Perhpas so. It's why INTERIOR rushers are starting to be just as important. Aaron Donald is arguably worth more in terms of what he brings to a team than any edge rusher would be.

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Having Clowney in a rotation and drafting Oliver at DT would fix the pass rush instantly. So many different ways the FO could go, it’s exciting to be relevant again.

3 minutes ago, Logic said:


Perhpas so. It's why INTERIOR rushers are starting to be just as important. Aaron Donald is arguably worth more in terms of what he brings to a team than any edge rusher would be.

QB’s like Brees, Brady and Rivers all like to step up into a clean pocket to make accurate passes. They really don’t like DT’s like Donald. It’s why the Saints and Patriots had all pro interior O-Line man back in their hay day.

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