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Why are the Browns the sexy pick?

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6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

this year because they have to of face "punishment" by the league 

 

2018 they had $50 Mil in cap space LEFT over 

2017 they had $59 Mil in cap space LEFT over 

2018 they had $45 Mil in cap space LEFT over 

The Browns have been very cheap and the 1-31 proved it.  

 

That isn’t true. They were saving for this, but they actually kept their active spending and cash spending up in recent years. It was a function of horrible drafting and losing.  They did not have many second contracts to give out and they had to overpay dearly for free agents.

 

What looked like a massive amount of cap space was due to carryover from many seasons. The Bills looked to have similar cap space this season, but the reality was very different.  The Bills has very little carryover.  Their space was a function of having had spent up to the cap recently and, after cutting ties with many players and taking a lot of dead money last season, having relatively little cap space dedicated to contracts.  It’s the difference between having $60M in the bank and being set to spend $60M less than your budget annually. 

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2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

If Josh Allen in 2019 has the year Baker had in 2018, you will call him our franchise QB.

Ok? What’s your point? 

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the Browns were better than the Bills last year, are seen to have the best quarterback from that draft (Baker > Darnold, JA), have made the splashiest FA signings, acquired more All-Pros than the Bills and Jets, and have seen their conference rivals Steelers and Ravens get weaker while the Patriots just won yet another SB.

 

It's a slam dunk for the national media. Just look at it on paper without your Buffalo vision on.

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15 hours ago, The Red King said:

Following free agency, I hopped over to nfl.com and saw an article on whether or not the Patriots were still the favorites.  Poking through the comments though, I saw no mention of the improvements the Bills and Jets have made, most noting the AFC East will be a cakewalk for the Pats.  Okay, I get it, improvements on paper are one thing, but you gotta show improvement on the field.  At the same time, one analyst mentions the Chiefs and Browns as competition.  And the official website poll asks which team is the best in the AFC.  The options are the Pats, the Chiefs, and the...Browns? 😕  Not the Chargers, not the Steelers, not the Ravens...the Browns.

 

Yes, the Browns have improved since last year, but they went 7-8-1, a losing record.  How do they get included in "best of the AFC" discussions without having to prove anything?  Last year was no different, despite going 0-16, some people were picking them to make and even go deep in the playoffs!  I guess I'm just wondering why teams like the Bills and Jets have to prove themselves and the Browns, who have been categorically/historically worse then them get a free pass and become the sexy favorite?

They have improved their team DRAMATICALLY compared to really the rest of the AFC

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15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

For example:

 

OBJ > OJB    

 

(Ol' John Brown, that is)

 

The perception is that the quality of the Browns talent accumulated is much higher.........and in a matchup league that means a lot.

 

The list is long......Landry or Beasley.......Myles Garrett or Jerry Hughes......Dave Njoku or Kroft/Croom.......

A painful but fun exercise, which Bills FA signings would start for the Patriots? None. The Browns? Hmm

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The Brown's have early movement in Vegas to top 3 in the AFC to make it to the big show. It makes sense to me. KC and the Brown's are the next two new exciting young teams loaded with star talent. If their offensive line holds up and they learn the new system the potential is real. Do I like the Brown's? Not really! Do I think the Brown's fans deserve hope. For sure! 

 

I believe that KC is one player injury Hall/QB/TE from a 9-7/8-8 season. Their defense is just sad now. You cannot compete when your offense is sitting on the bench.

 

I think the Bears are quietly moving into elite also. They may not have the dream QB, however they should take another step forward too. Bears vs Browns in Super bowl is not out of the question.

 

Yes I am a huge Bills fan and have been to every 90's playoff game, plus a horrid Dallas Super Bowl. And yes my family runs a Bills Backers club, but the Bills are slowly on the rise and not worthy yet. I feel the positive energy, however we have some serious work to still do. My guess is 2020/2021 championship game? At that point Brady and Brees will be taking dirt naps. The Bills should have solid starters throughout and the Josh will know this system like a Vet. I can handle one more year of making some noise and dealing with some heartbreakers.

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15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Dave Njoku or Kroft/Croom

Njoku's really the talent on the Browns everybody is overlooking. He's going to be very good. And Baker has shown he likes throwing the TE routes.

 

There's not many elite TE's in the league that are capable of the production Njoku can develop into and that creates matchup nightmares.. next to already elite pass catchers as well. It'll be a pick your poison passing offense.

 

Those saying the egos make the Browns boom or bust.. I don't get it. They can already do without a few of their new acquisitions if they need to.. and they're much better with them. And how many times do we say this about teams. It just takes strong coaching and leadership.. the Rams stacked the deck with questionable character players. Teams make this play all the time and it pays off just as often as it doesn't. Can't see them getting worse with the acquisitions but they can obviously be much better if coached right.

 

OBJ flaming out won't make competitors on the team play worse. They're success just depends on if everybody on the team wants to win.

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It feels like the Browns are collecting talent while the Bills are building a team.  It will be interesting to see how the two approaches play out.

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I’d certainly like to see the Browns do well but the 2011 Eagles come to mind.  A team stacked with talent but never really fired on all cylinders until too late 

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3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

That isn’t true. They were saving for this, but they actually kept their active spending and cash spending up in recent years. It was a function of horrible drafting and losing.  They did not have many second contracts to give out and they had to overpay dearly for free agents.

 

What looked like a massive amount of cap space was due to carryover from many seasons. The Bills looked to have similar cap space this season, but the reality was very different.  The Bills has very little carryover.  Their space was a function of having had spent up to the cap recently and, after cutting ties with many players and taking a lot of dead money last season, having relatively little cap space dedicated to contracts.  It’s the difference between having $60M in the bank and being set to spend $60M less than your budget annually. 

 

IIRC in 2017 the Browns played EVERY one of their draft picks in lieu of chasing Free agents and ended up with ZERO wins.

 

They got what they planned for .  Suckitude 

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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

IIRC in 2017 the Browns played EVERY one of their draft picks in lieu of chasing Free agents and ended up with ZERO wins.

 

They got what they planned for .  Suckitude 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/2017/

 

I’m sure they did plan to tank, but their cap number that season was less than $10M under the allocated cap (see link above).  They carried over $50M into the 2017 season though so their available cap space looked really good - almost $60M.  They also had a ton of dead cap due to cutting ties with a bunch of draft busts and underperforming FAs - and buying a pick with the Osweiler trade.  And that last one shows you how desperate (and not cheap) they were.  They bought a second round pick by eating Osweiler’s guaranteed salary. 

 

Now scroll back back through all of the years on Spotrac and look at the NFL salary cap amounts and the total cap expenditures for the Browns. In only two seasons are their cap expenditures more than $10M below the NFL Cap - 2011 and 2015.  In some of the other season they were at or over the NFL Cap for the season. I noted this when other Browns fans saw their available cap space and accused them of not trying and trying to make money.  No.  It was worse than that.  They were spending.  That was their trying. 

 

So yeah, leading up to 2017 they ate a ton of dead money and tanked. They got their QB and have money to spend again and they’re doing it.  They amassed a lot of picks and drafted extremely well. That’s been huge. And now maybe they do well.  What was wrong with that plan?

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7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

The Browns are cheap.   the only cap issue they have is meeting the cap spending minimum.  

Sure right now. But once Garett and baker etc. Want new deals they will be in Trouble 

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How on earth is Haslam supposed to mess this up? 

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Has everyone gone insane?  Free agency is like a day old, the draft hasn't even started yet and the superbowl was like a month ago.  Some people are seriously ranking teams?  WTF is going on:death:?

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The Browns are a sexy pick because:

 

1.)  They seem to have added talent to a team that last year was on the rise.  They might be legit good.

 

2.)  They have added a lot of the 'big name' players.  They are putting together the type of team that most causual fantasy football players would want. Once again, it may not work, or it very well may work.

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36 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

That you have biased opinions on QBs.

Not sure what’s biased. It’s not like I’m some big Allen homer claiming he’s the next big thing. 

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