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5 hours ago, mannc said:

I'll take the guy who's a natural leader, excelled against top competition and had one of the best games of his career on the biggest stage against a team loaded with NFL talent 

 

 

You just described Shaq Lawson.

 

 

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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You just described Shaq Lawson.

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly!  And that's about where he should be drafted, 17-20 range.

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10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You just described Shaq Lawson.

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

My thoughts exactly!  And that's about where he should be drafted, 17-20 range.

 

I think Wilkins is a better bet than Shaq--he's got the violent hands and initial quickness that you can't teach...he's the kind of guy whose deficiencies--like functional strength and contact balance--can be improved in an NFL strength program.

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8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

 

I think Wilkins is a better bet than Shaq--he's got the violent hands and initial quickness that you can't teach...he's the kind of guy whose deficiencies--like functional strength and contact balance--can be improved in an NFL strength program.

 

 

I think the concerns about his ceiling are legit though.

 

He leveled off his last 3 seasons at Clemson and will turn 24 late in his rookie year........a relative man amongst boys in a draft with the most underclassmen in history.

 

I'm a key position + high ceiling guy in round 1............and while he fills a need.......he checks neither box.   

 

That's not to say he can't work himself to another level but ability to improve is exactly the concern I have after 3 years of static production.

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35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think the concerns about his ceiling are legit though.

 

He leveled off his last 3 seasons at Clemson and will turn 24 late in his rookie year........a relative man amongst boys in a draft with the most underclassmen in history.

 

I'm a key position + high ceiling guy in round 1............and while he fills a need.......he checks neither box.   

 

That's not to say he can't work himself to another level but ability to improve is exactly the concern I have after 3 years of static production.

 

That's fair. I think that there's Fletcher Cox upside there if he unlocks it, which is why I think he's not a bad fit at 9.

 

If they don't feel that way then yeah, there's no way they should pick him there 

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39 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think the concerns about his ceiling are legit though.

 

He leveled off his last 3 seasons at Clemson and will turn 24 late in his rookie year........a relative man amongst boys in a draft with the most underclassmen in history.

 

I'm a key position + high ceiling guy in round 1............and while he fills a need.......he checks neither box.   

 

That's not to say he can't work himself to another level but ability to improve is exactly the concern I have after 3 years of static production.

You’ve said that Tremaine Edmunds’s relative youth doesn’t make him a better prospect than other, older LBs.  Why does Wilkins being a little older than other DL prospects count against him?

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You just described Shaq Lawson.

 

 

Well, let’s hope he doesn’t have a torn labrum.

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5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's fair. I think that there's Fletcher Cox upside there if he unlocks it, which is why I think he's not a bad fit at 9.

 

If they don't feel that way then yeah, there's no way they should pick him there 

 

 

Yeah I can see that comp.   Cox becoming the player he has very much surprised me.   I thought he was over drafted at 12 and that's proven wrong.

 

But Cox steadily improved in college and was a full 2 years younger than Wilkins as a NFL rookie.

 

If I'm going DT early I really want a guy with big time pass rush potential.     Those are really rare.

 

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12 minutes ago, mannc said:

You’ve said that Tremaine Edmunds’s relative youth doesn’t make him a better prospect than other, older LBs.  Why does Wilkins being a little older than other DL prospects count against him?

 

Because his production has plateaued over the last 3 seasons.

 

Sometimes players can be late bloomers(see former OL Ray Brown and wish that upon Ty Nesehke:thumbsup:)...........sometimes they peak too soon and decline(Amobi Okoye)..........and other times they just hit their ceiling in college and stay there.

 

That's my concern with Wilkins...........upside.

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20 minutes ago, mannc said:

Well, let’s hope he doesn’t have a torn labrum.

 

 

Yep............if not for THAT then Shaq would have been great.:flirt:

 

Actually Shaq is one of many intriguing players on the roster.....going into his walk year............just not sure McD will keep him around for it.

 

One thing for sure.........Shaq loves him some Clemson.........he's Wooderson-esque in his devotion to the Clemson scene.

 

I'm not saying Wilkins also doesn't wanna' grow up but I am sure scouts are torn on whether his staying showed a burning desire to win or a desire to cling to the Clemson life.

 

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10 hours ago, glazeduck said:

Granted, it's a bit of an apples/oranges comparison, because most saw John McCargo as a bad pick to begin with, but I'd be afraid of a similar situation drafting ANY of those Clemson defensive lineman... McCargo benefited immensely by playing next to Mario Williams and Manny Lawson and as a result was grossly overdrafted. I can't tell you which player I think is the McCargo and which are the Mario/Lawson on that Clemson line, but I do think any of them pose some risk there -- none of Wilkins/Bryant/Lawrence/Ferrell are great athletes, Lawrence has the PEDs issue, etc. I just think between inferior ACC competition and playing together for as long as they did, the whole was better than the sum of those parts... Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that attitude, and it certainly seems like Wilkins would fit well in this locker room, but I don't see him being a major disruptor in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong, seems like an awesome kid.

I think the other players on that D-line benefitted from Wilkins presence.  He played all over the line.  He was dominate against top competition and a difference maker over the course of years.  To me he's a Kyle Williams type (attitude wise) in a bigger body and with more versatility.  I can't help but think he is a guy they would scoop up.  Now, I don't necessarily think it will be at nine though.  I think we see the Bills trade back a bit and grab Wilkins in the 15-20 range.  He's the perfect storm: team leader, work ethic, production against top talent over the course of years, versatile in skill and at a position of need.  If the Bills took someone else at 9 I still wouldn't be shocked if they tried to trade back into the first round to get him.

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I like him. I like almost all the D-lineman at the top. Pretty much can't go wrong.

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You draft a DT at 9 you want a dominat pro bowl level player.  I dont see that potential.  I think they go impact player on d or premier pass catcher.  With the players Buffalo were linked to I could see Buffalo being higher on Metcalf than many think.  Screw it Metcalf, Foster, brown All goes with Beasly running an option route. 

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13 hours ago, glazeduck said:

Oliver, to me, feels like the NFL's version of Marcus Fizer. NBA scouts thought Fizer was too big and strong for small forwards to guard and too quick and athletic for power forwards... Instead, he was too small and weak to do anything against PFs and too slow/not skilled enough to beat SFs... Oliver's first step is exciting, but to me, I'm worried that he's too small to constantly contribute in the trenches AND stay healthy, yet not athletic enough to play on the edge. I think you're drafting him hoping and praying that he can become Melvin Ingram, but Ingram dominated against vastly superior competition and STILL took 4 years to emerge into much of anything...

Oliver is the John Randle/Charles Barkley gamble. I’m not sure that he has enough elite traits to dominate the competition at the NFL level. As a smaller guy he needs elite strength and quickness coupled with hand fighting technique. I really wanted to see him at the combine. 

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Wilkins at 15 with another 2nd rndr , that's my dream draft

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I’ve said it for months he seems like a McBeane type of player. Exactly what we want in culture and has the size and production 

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