John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: The flip side is that unless you are a bills fan, you expect a team to be relevant within 1-2 offseasons. This acceptance of a 5 year plan to be relevant is uniquely our fan base. if Carr is actually a player, and you add brown plus 4 picks in the top 35 (including a top 5) plus free agency... there’s no reason to think they can’t be a playoff team (besides thinking they have poor leadership and Carr isn’t good - in which case brown as a target vs someone else makes little difference) Are they not looking to trade Carr? 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Are you taking about the Bills or Raiders? This was TO 2.0. Our QB is in place Our defense is in place The raiders are bad on BOTH sides of the ball........ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Right. That seesaw is in every trade ever. Maybe, but not as much as this deal, as evidenced by how much less the Raiders offered than the Bills simply because they gave in to Brown ‘s money demands. Pittsburgh was just that desperate to unload Brown, and the Bills were not willing to swaps 1sts, plus another pick, plus pay Brown $20M/yr. Quote the part that got me was the narrative that with the increased cost he’d hurt the locker room. As if at his given contract he wouldn’t but at a raise he somehow has more oomph to impact it. I think that’s editorializing too much to create a storyline. Oh I think the Bills were certain he’d be a royal pain in the ass at his current salary. But, as Beane said, we talked, it didn’t make sense for either team, we’ve moved on. So have I. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Are they not looking to trade Carr? Our QB is in place Our defense is in place The raiders are bad on BOTH sides of the ball........ They may be. And that gives them a lot of cash and adds to the picks. Which in theory would contribute to a fast turn, unless their GM messes it up or they miss at QB (harder to blame GM for that given the crapshoot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: They may be. And that gives them a lot of cash and adds to the picks. Which in theory would contribute to a fast turn, unless their GM messes it up or they miss at QB (harder to blame GM for that given the crapshoot) I get what you are saying.....its just a lot of unknowns for the Raiders As alway I am worried more about m own team. Improve the protection Get guys who can catch a ball Bring our QB along 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Are they not looking to trade Carr? Our QB is in place Our defense is in place The raiders are bad on BOTH sides of the ball........ I think it’s insanely early to say Allen is better than Carr. Carr has been a pro bowler and thrown for over 4,000 yards. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I get what you are saying.....its just a lot of unknowns for the Raiders As alway I am worried more about m own team. Improve the protection Get guys who can catch a ball Bring our QB along The entire offense except the QB position is a pretty much all unknown for Buffalo. And there's no guarantee that Allen makes a step without there being some big answers soon on the OL and at the skill positions. Edited March 10, 2019 by BillsVet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Are you taking about the Bills or Raiders? This was TO 2.0. I think the comparisons are fair in the way they went about getting out of places they didnt want to be at. But I think brown at this point still is more productive than TO when he came here. TO was cut just before arriving here. Nobody is cutting brown at this stage of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think it’s insanely early to say Allen is better than Carr. Carr has been a pro bowler and thrown for over 4,000 yards. How many playoff wins does Carr have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, vorpma said: How many playoff wins does Carr have? The Bills haven't won a playoff game since 1995. Perhaps........lower the bar? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 https://clutchpoints.com/bills-news-antonio-brown-to-buffalo-trade-fell-through-due-to-demands-for-new-contract/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The Bills haven't won a playoff game since 1995. Perhaps........lower the bar? No, many of you want the same philosophy and template used since 1995, no rebuild, sign superstars, try and win now, accept mediocre teams , and every August spout off on how this is the year!!! Me, trying to raise the bar; I want longevity not fast food happy meals! 2 minutes ago, vorpma said: No, many of you want the same philosophy and template used since 1995, no rebuild, sign superstars, try and win now, accept mediocre teams , and every August spout off on how this is the year!!! Me, trying to raise the bar; I want longevity not fast food happy meals! Laugh and smile, you really need to go sit in your room and let the adults have discussions on TBD; run along now junior! Come opening day in Buffalo, there will be a sellout crowd, most of who agree with me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, vorpma said: No, many of you want the same philosophy and template used since 1995, no rebuild, sign superstars, try and win now, accept mediocre teams , and every August spout off on how this is the year!!! Me, trying to raise the bar; I want longevity not fast food happy meals! Laugh and smile, you really need to go sit in your room and let the adults have discussions on TBD; run along now junior! Come opening day in Buffalo, there will be a sellout crowd, most of who agree with me! Other than Mario have we really been a sign superstars happy meal team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Other than Mario have we really been a sign superstars happy meal team? Vorpma is hilarious. You missed the thread where he was snapping at SDS and was basically like "who the *** is SDS".......then he realized and was hurriedly clickin' likes on SDS posts......classic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Other than Mario have we really been a sign superstars happy meal team? Except for TO, no; because we have scouted like crap, drafted like crap, lousy FA signing, lousy coaching, lousy FO, and after 16 years had a "losing organization." Now the "kids" want it and they want it now or you get temper tantrums! Sorry kids, I want the process, I know you don't understand it but it is what it is! 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Vorpma is hilarious. You missed the thread where he was snapping at SDS and was basically like "who the *** is SDS".......then he realized and was hurriedly clickin' likes on SDS posts......classic. Nope, still don't know who SDS is and don't care! SDS, give me a shout! 1 minute ago, vorpma said: Except for TO, no; because we have scouted like crap, drafted like crap, lousy FA signing, lousy coaching, lousy FO, and after 16 years had a "losing organization." Now the "kids" want it and they want it now or you get temper tantrums! Sorry kids, I want the process, I know you don't understand it but it is what it is! Nope, still don't know who SDS is and don't care! SDS, give me a shout! If I clicked like on an SDS post it was for a reason junior! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think it’s insanely early to say Allen is better than Carr. Carr has been a pro bowler and thrown for over 4,000 yards. First of all I actually like carr but for some reason the raiders seem to not which is the whole point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, vorpma said: Except for TO, no; because we have scouted like crap, drafted like crap, lousy FA signing, lousy coaching, lousy FO, and after 16 years had a "losing organization." Now the "kids" want it and they want it now or you get temper tantrums! Sorry kids, I want the process, I know you don't understand it but it is what it is! Nope, still don't know who SDS is and don't care! SDS, give me a shout! Are you partying with eball by any chance? This definitely sounds like liquor talkin'. Anyway thanks for the analogies have a good one and take some aspirin before bed. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Other than Mario have we really been a sign superstars happy meal team? Not at all, which is why Mario and TO were such HUGE moves(for us.) Teams need elite talent and I'm glad the Beane Man pursued Brown. Not quite sure where the notion that we've consistently made flashy offseason signings come from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 9 hours ago, MAJBobby said: So let’s see would AB improved a Historically BAD offense last year. Easy answer is yes. So so now tell me how they are “Better” without him right now again? Let's try Logic 101 on last year's team. He wasn't on the team and the year is over so no projection can be made. "Everything will be alright in the end so If everything is not alright than it is not the end". Personally not a fan of AB who brings no rings in room, quit on his team mates and wasn't even his team's MV P. To quote the late Dennis Green, "if you want to crown him than crown him". Glad Bean e folded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 yikes Stillers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark92 said: https://clutchpoints.com/bills-news-antonio-brown-to-buffalo-trade-fell-through-due-to-demands-for-new-contract/ Thanks, Mark. Good article, good info - and pretty much confirms what Beane said and Carucci reported. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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