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I can’t say I know a lot about Landon Collins, but if he’s not a good cover guy, he’s not worth the money he’ll command.   But what about as a hybrid linebacker/safety? 

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2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Hyde was fine last year.   Poyer was better.   They are both good safeties.  

Sorry but Poyer was not better at all... statistics do not tell the whole story for safeties

 

The analytics say that Hyde was better all year... he is even a better tackler and he is smaller 

 

Poyer is good in coverage but I would never take him over Hyde 

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9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Sorry but Poyer was not better at all... statistics do not tell the whole story for safeties

 

The analytics say that Hyde was better all year... he is even a better tackler and he is smaller 

 

Poyer is good in coverage but I would never take him over Hyde 

Which analytics?  Are we strictly speaking of PFF?

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14 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Which analytics?  Are we strictly speaking of PFF?

Any site that has advanced analytics.

 

or just use your eyes... Poyer was one of the worst tackling safeties in the league. Hyde wasn’t 

 

they both can cover but Poyer gets abused in the run game

 

Hyde isn’t no world beater in that category but he is a better tackler than Poyer.. and it hurts our run defense having 2 center fielders 

 

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2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean I really like our safetys too but I don’t even think a team should stop trying to upgrade.  I mean it would be silly to throw big money at Collins but he is a really good player. It’s weird the Giants are letting him walk for nothing.

 

You can't upgrade every single position every year. In my opinion safety is at the bottom of the list and will be as long as Poyer and Hyde are here. If they need depth, do it in the draft.

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2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Any site that has advanced analytics.

 

or just use your eyes... Poyer was one of the worst tackling safeties in the league. Hyde wasn’t 

 

they both can cover but Poyer gets abused in the run game

 

Hyde isn’t no world beater in that category but he is a better tackler than Poyer.. and it hurts our run defense having 2 center fielders 

 

 

 

Exactly.

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3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

No way.   PFF has him ranked #45 for safeties and Hyde #6.

 

Collins was ranked #39 in 2018 btw.   For what he would want won't be worth the incremental $$ IMHO.

 

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Who is Poyer better than?  Derwin James?  Eric Weddle?  Come on....

Poyer better than Weddle in 2018 by a large margin in every measurable

 

Weddle (made Pro bowl on rep/name only in 2018)

      Game Game Def Def Def Def Def Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb   Tack Tack Tack Tack Tack    
Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
33 BAL FS 32 16 16 0 0 0 0 3           1.0 68 54 14 2 4   9

No picks, no forced fumbles, no recoveries, no TDs and one sack with 3 passes defended. 68 TT

 

Poyer

      Game Game Def Def Def Def Def Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb   Tack Tack Tack Tack Tack    
Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
27 BUF FS 21 16 16 4 11 0 11 6 1 0 1 0 0 2.0 100 73 27 9 3  

INTs 4>0, PD 6>3, FF 1>0, FR 1>0, Sk 2>1, Tackles 100>68, TFL 9>2

 

I keep the younger dude with better stats.

 

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1 minute ago, freddyjj said:

 

Collins was ranked #39 in 2018 btw.   For what he would want won't be worth the incremental $$ IMHO.

 

Poyer better than Weddle in 2018 by a large margin in every measurable

 

Weddle (made Pro bowl on rep/name only in 2018)

      Game Game Def Def Def Def Def Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb   Tack Tack Tack Tack Tack    
Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
33 BAL FS 32 16 16 0 0 0 0 3           1.0 68 54 14 2 4   9

No picks, no forced fumbles, no recoveries, no TDs and one sack with 3 passes defended. 68 TT

 

Poyer

      Game Game Def Def Def Def Def Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb Fumb   Tack Tack Tack Tack Tack    
Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
27 BUF FS 21 16 16 4 11 0 11 6 1 0 1 0 0 2.0 100 73 27 9 3  

INTs 4>0, PD 6>3, FF 1>0, FR 1>0, Sk 2>1, Tackles 100>68, TFL 9>2

 

I keep the younger dude with better stats.

 

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His worst year on and awful defense overall---and still better than Poyer.

 

The Bills run D is mediocre at best.  They need to get better.  Having another safety who can tackle an opponent would be a plus, not a minus.

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1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

His worst year on and awful defense overall---and still better than Poyer.

 

The Bills run D is mediocre at best.  They need to get better.  Having another safety who can tackle an opponent would be a plus, not a minus.

OK so make an offer to sign him - what would you be willing to pay him?

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1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

4 years 20 million.

Maybe I could get on board for that.  Expensive for a part time Big Nickle Safety

 

Collins stats last year were not better than Poyer's btw

Collins No INTs, 1 FF, no sacks, 5 TFL.  

Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
2018* 24 NYG SS 21 12 12 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 0 0 0   96 67 29 5 2   5


 

 

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12 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Maybe I could get on board for that.  Expensive for a part time Big Nickle Safety

 

Collins stats last year were not better than Poyer's btw

Collins No INTs, 1 FF, no sacks, 5 TFL.  

Games Def Interceptions Fumbles   Tackles    
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
2018* 24 NYG SS 21 12 12 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 0 0 0   96 67 29 5 2   5


 

 

That was only 12 games and his worst year on a bad defense. He is a 3x pro bowler and 1x all pro by 24... he is the second best safety on the market behind earl Thomas and is really good

 

Put him on a better D with a great DBacks coach in McDermott and he would be a stud 

 

I wouldn’t pay him the moon but he certainly would be an upgrade. I never once suggested cutting Poyer either , he is just weak on run downs and is a coverage guy... but Hyde is a cover guy and having both out there 24/7 hurts our run D

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