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31 minutes ago, nickrage said:

So then what happens to Rosen?

 

Enter Dave Gettleman.

Could the cards take Murray at one 

then trade Rosen to the giants for the sixth overall pick?

 

Oh....everyone knows what is going to happen to Rosen.  The Pats* are going to get him for a 8th Round pick, he is going to sit behind Brady for a year or 2, and then dominate the AFC East for the next 17 years.

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I look at it as an opportunity for some team to grab an asset in Rosen for less than he cost last year. That would be smart, not kicking him to the curb yet, because he obviously had a crummy situation to play last year.

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7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I think we need to trade for Rosen, thus GUARANTEEING we have the right Josh. 

Doubling down on Joshes is a great strategy. Would Kdiggz return to the board? Would Ryan Gates return to WGR? So juicy

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1 ) Murray 

2 ) Bosa

3 ) trade up for Haskins

4)  ????

5) ????

6) Daniel Jones

 

6th best position player available at #9

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4 hours ago, nickrage said:

So then what happens to Rosen?

 

Enter Dave Gettleman.

Could the cards take Murray at one 

then trade Rosen to the giants for the sixth overall pick?

 

No way he gets that much in a trade IMO.  I bet it’s a 2nd rounder at best.  I mean he spent a season sucking, so he won’t get a trade value return near what they invested IMO

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18 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Oh....everyone knows what is going to happen to Rosen.  The Pats* are going to get him for a 8th Round pick, he is going to sit behind Brady for a year or 2, and then dominate the AFC East for the next 17 years.

This is weirdly not insane. And thank you for ruining my weekend with this scenario.

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I guess Arizona didn't get the right Josh.

 

 

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Giant should be all over this. Rosen sits behind Eli for some or all of year. And going forward they could have a nice trio. Draft a tackle at six. Give cards the second rounder for Rosen. 

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2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No way he gets that much in a trade IMO.  I bet it’s a 3nd rounder at beat.  I mean he spent a season sucking, so he won’t get a trade value return near what they invested IMO

I am thinking his absolute top ceiling in trade value would be Miami at 13 or Washington at 15. Either one desperately need a young QB. 

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45 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True but I guess their thinking is that it would be easier to get a guy who can scramble in the pocket than try and fix the OL.

 

I agree that the coach/team/QB fit might be better. 

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Just now, Bills2ref said:

I am thinking his absolute top ceiling in trade value would be Miami at 13 or Washington at 15. Either one desperately need a young QB. 

 

I agree, and will come down to a combo of how highly they regarded him (if at all) last year, how they view the current class that will be available, and how desperate they are to make a move. 

 

Not all teams liked Rosen last year, Bills didn’t even have him on their board reportedly.  So will be interesting to watch this unfold and see what interest there is.

 

Also, they could keep both for 2020 and let them battle it out like Brees/Rivers, Aikman/Walsh, etc and then move the guy who doesn’t ultimately win the long term job.  

9 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

I am thinking his absolute top ceiling in trade value would be Miami at 13 or Washington at 15. Either one desperately need a young QB. 

 

Oops, I wrote “3nd” rounder in the post you replied to ha.  Obviously meant 2nd rounder.  Typo ha

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Josh Rosen still has a chance to be a very good QB in this league. 

You cannot judge a guy on his rookie season alone, especially with a team as awful as Arizona.

 

With that said, you have to wonder what the heck is going on in Arizona's front office (assuming this report is true).

They fired the head coach Steve Wilks after one season.  They drafted a QB in the Top 10 and are now ready to move-on after one season.

 

I can't blame Kliff Kingsbury however.  Rosen is a very polarizing guy and his personality really rubbed some people the wrong way.  His skills are also limited to being a traditional pocket passer.  If Kingsbury doesn't believe he's a good fit for what he's trying to build, I give him credit for recognizing that immediately and being willing to make a bold move.

 

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I feel bad for Rosen but hey he'll start wherever he goes so he has his chance to succeed regardless 

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1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

Josh Rosen still has a chance to be a very good QB in this league. 

You cannot judge a guy on his rookie season alone, especially with a team as awful as Arizona.

 

With that said, you have to wonder what the heck is going on in Arizona's front office (assuming this report is true).

They fired the head coach Steve Wilks after one season.  They drafted a QB in the Top 10 and are now ready to move-on after one season.

 

I can't blame Kliff Kingsbury however.  Rosen is a very polarizing guy and his personality really rubbed some people the wrong way.  His skills are also limited to being a traditional pocket passer.  If Kingsbury doesn't believe he's a good fit for what he's trying to build, I give him credit for recognizing that immediately and being willing to make a bold move.

 

Great analysis. Kind of where I am as well. Is it extremely uncommon to move on after one year? Sure. But Kingsbury and Heim could have (probably have) had a lot of conversation on this topic. Kingsbury could have an Air raid system he wants to incorporate and views Murray as the best chance to success given the status of the O-line in Arizona. It could all be an elaborate ruse to get someone (Giants, Jags, Raiders) to overpay for first overall. At this point I would say it’s 50/50. Easy to fall in love with Murray as a prospect, especially if he runs in the 4.3’s during his pro-day. Also easy to hate Murray as a prospect. Truly polarizing player. 

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2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

I don't believe it so not universal.

 

"among NFL execs" - when did you become one o' them?

 

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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Also, they could keep both for 2020 and let them battle it out like Brees/Rivers, Aikman/Walsh, etc and then move the guy who doesn’t ultimately win the long term job.  

 

When did Brees/Rivers "battle it out"?  There was no Brees/Rivers battle.  San Diego drafted Rivers and he promptly held out through training camp, leaving Brees with the starting job.  Which Brees promptly cinched by winning "comeback player of the year", going to the probowl, and turning in a strong playoff performance in his first truly good season.  San Diego franchised him for next year - you don't franchise a guy you're gonna "battle".  Then Brees got what they thought might be a career ending injury so they let him go when he didn't accept their FA offer.

 

If there would be anything more stupid than drafting a pocket-passing QB with limited mobility in the 1st round and putting him in to struggle behind a swiss cheese OL and with few quality targets, it would be drafting a dissimilar QB in the 1st round next year and letting them "battle it out" instead of crafting the playbook to one QB's strengths and focusing on that one QB's development.   But I don't exempt the formerly-Phoenix Cardinals from committing that stupidity - here in St Louis we think almost as much of Bidwell as we do of Kroenke, meaning you'd still need a trench to slide a worm under the general opinion.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"among NFL execs" - when did you become one o' them?

 

I edited the title after he posted that :)

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I think this is bad news, if true.  My reasoning is that if the QB Murray goes at #1, that drops Bosa or Q. Williams to the Jets.  And the Jets at 3 get one of the top two players in the draft.  I have stated, and continue to believe that Bosa and Q. Williams are alone as the elite tier.  Then there is a drop off. 

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2 hours ago, K-9 said:

I think we need to trade for Rosen, thus GUARANTEEING we have the right Josh. 

Draft Josh 2.0 and the Bills will have 2 right Josh's.

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3 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I think this is bad news, if true.  My reasoning is that if the QB Murray goes at #1, that drops Bosa or Q. Williams to the Jets.  And the Jets at 3 get one of the top two players in the draft.  I have stated, and continue to believe that Bosa and Q. Williams are alone as the elite tier.  Then there is a drop off. 

Jets have expressed interest in trading down to recoup some of the picks from last year so we’ll see if they pass on Quinnen. Could also go Josh Allen the LB at 3

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The last time I remember a similar case if Murray is taken at #1 is when Tampa Bay didn't like what they had at QB with Steve Young so they traded Young & drafted Vinny Testaverde with the #1 pick.  The one in the HOF isn't the guy they drafted.  Worst case scenario: Rosen plays in the Super Bowl as Murray is getting ready for spring training with the Oakland A's after flaming out of the NFL. 

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I expected this as soon as the Cards hired Kingsbury. Was fully convinced once Murray was measured.

 

It will be fascinating to see what happens with Rosen(if true). At the end of the NFL regular season, it didn't appear as though there would be any top 10 QB's. As it stands now, two are virtual locks. Overall, a very good thing for the Bills at 9.

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