formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Doc said: "For what pick?" is the question. And if Murray busts? And if he busts...it will still be a waste of an asset. Learn to read. Especially the last line, because that is exactly what I was alluding to "they will waste a lesser asset on him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, Doc said: "For what pick?" is the question. And if Murray busts? And if he busts...it will still be a waste of an asset. I mean, can’t that logic be used against any first overall pick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Murrey might not even be the best in this class. Id take Mayfield and Allen over him. What if one of the 9 other teams gets him for a lesser pick. Then it would appear they will waste a lesser asset on him. Mayfield and Allen aren't in the draft. 56 minutes ago, Doc said: "For what pick?" is the question. And if Murray busts? And if he busts...it will still be a waste of an asset. The thing about picks is that there's always more. Some teams go decades without franchise QB's, not 1st rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 13 hours ago, CNYfan said: I think this is bad news, if true. My reasoning is that if the QB Murray goes at #1, that drops Bosa or Q. Williams to the Jets. And the Jets at 3 get one of the top two players in the draft. I have stated, and continue to believe that Bosa and Q. Williams are alone as the elite tier. Then there is a drop off. I would welcome this. The Jets have used their premium picks on defense for years and it’s gotten them nowhere. The Jets need offensive weapons, just like the Bills do. They’ll be looking to trade back. 7 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: No chance he’s getting a first. That was my initial reaction, but I’m not so sure. He went 10 overall last year, and he was hardly a total disaster as a rookie starter on a bad team. If more than one team likes him, the Cards could get a mid-first for Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 9 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Your take is just bad. The words won't "haunt him for a decade." Would you take Murray at #1 GB? I know you liked Rosen a lot. I liked Rosen more than I like Murray. Murray would have been my QB4 in the last class. With how he measured I would generally have no qualms taking Murray in the top 10. I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year to do so though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: That was my initial reaction, but I’m not so sure. He went 10 overall last year, and he was hardly a total disaster as a rookie starter on a bad team. If more than one team likes him, the Cards could get a mid-first for Rosen. I certainly think he could be worth a pick around the bottom third of the first round.. I think people always undervalue what teams will give up for a QB,,, Tyrod cost 65 for one year and had to be paid $15m... Rosen comes with minimum three years control at a fraction that cost.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Now he needs 7 rings to surpass Brady! Maybe he should lock down a starting job before he calls out the guy who has 6 SB rings Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Mayfield and Allen aren't in the draft. The thing about picks is that there's always more. Some teams go decades without franchise QB's, not 1st rounders. I was responding to the person who said if we had the #1 pick they would comsider Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I remember Howard Simon who was almost crying on the air the morning that they drafted Allen. Then you had guys like Jeremy White and Mike Schopp who complained for days because they wanted Rosen and Lamar, respectively. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Wouldn’t it be pretty smart for the Cardinals to tell people that so they could drive up the price for a trade? Let people think they love that qb to force teams hands. Haven’t we learned to never believe anything you hear pre draft? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 21 hours ago, Augie said: But more than that. Everyone realizes he was surrounded by Grade A garbage last season. He fit right in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Arizona would be a good team to take him. Controlled environment in a dome. This little fella is gonna be fun to watch, but how long will he last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: I remember Howard Simon who was almost crying on the air the morning that they drafted Allen. Then you had guys like Jeremy White and Mike Schopp who complained for days because they wanted Rosen and Lamar, respectively. Pre-draft, there were literally dozens of “contributors “ here who pledged that they were finished with the Bills for good if they drafted Josh Allen. The already knew with certainty that low college completion rate equals automatic NFL failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Virgil said: I mean, can’t that logic be used against any first overall pick? Yes. And in fact, it's highly debilitating for a team to focus too much on the "bust" probability of a 1st round pick. Accept that it's high and move forward. IMO, it paralyzed the Bills and kept them from pulling the trigger to draft a QB for years waiting for Mr "Can't Miss", and finally resulted in them pulling the trigger on Mr "Most likely to Miss" in a poor QB draft. 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I liked Rosen more than I like Murray. Murray would have been my QB4 in the last class. With how he measured I would generally have no qualms taking Murray in the top 10. I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year to do so though. I wouldn't either, but I think Rosen may be flotsam in the usual churn when a coach and/or FO turn over. The previous coaches' choices are not the new coach's style. That said, people are exaggerating Rosen's issues. I'm not saying he looked good, but he didn't look Blaine Gabbert/Brandon Weedon "this guy just can't play" bad, either. He was able to stand in, make some reads, and make some good throws. Given an OL and a team that will try to develop him he might become a guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 18 hours ago, prissythecat said: Using the number one pick on a guy who stands 5’8” and wants to lay QB? Makes a lot of sense coming from Arizona He measured 5’10 1/8” at th conbine. Wilson is 5’11”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes. And in fact, it's highly debilitating for a team to focus too much on the "bust" probability of a 1st round pick. Accept that it's high and move forward. IMO, it paralyzed the Bills and kept them from pulling the trigger to draft a QB for years waiting for Mr "Can't Miss", and finally resulted in them pulling the trigger on Mr "Most likely to Miss" in a poor QB draft. I wouldn't either, but I think Rosen may be flotsam in the usual churn when a coach and/or FO turn over. The previous coaches' choices are not the new coach's style. That said, people are exaggerating Rosen's issues. I'm not saying he looked good, but he didn't look Blaine Gabbert/Brandon Weedon "this guy just can't play" bad, either. He was able to stand in, make some reads, and make some good throws. Given an OL and a team that will try to develop him he might become a guy. I kind of agree but they said publicly that they were looking for a guy to mesh with Josh Rosen. If they did that and hired Kliff on that basis and then are gonna go a totally different route it looks like a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I kind of agree but they said publicly that they were looking for a guy to mesh with Josh Rosen. If they did that and hired Kliff on that basis and then are gonna go a totally different route it looks like a mess. It would indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 listening to espn radio. there was a discussion about cards drafting murray and trading rosen to pats. he would sit behind brady for a who knows how long. does this make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 People listen to espn? No offense but I’d not believe anything they say tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 This thread doesn’t. Especially since it’s being discussed in another thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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