Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.

[Alphadawg7]

One important thing about last year and this year:

 

Last year, I was one of the few that said Foster was likely going to make the week 1 roster.  Many said I was crazy.  Why did I say he would...not because of all the catches he made, but because he brought something different the other likely kept WRs didnt have...and that was speed and getting open.  He was struggling tracking the ball in preseason, but he was blowing by defenders and getting open.  That different element is what gave him the edge to crack the roster.  

 

This year, enter Duke Williams (and David Sills V).  Like last year, they both have strengths to their game that are not present in the other likely WRs to be on this roster.  Beane brought in 3 big WRs now, and thats a strong indicator he is looking for some size to compliment the other WRs and give Allen a big Redzone and first down target to work with.  

 

There are only so many spots available, and Brown, Foster, and Cole are pretty safe bets to not only be here week 1, but be the top 3 pecking order to start the year off.  Zay could still win a starting spot, and he WILL be given that shot.  But its a lot harder this year than facing off against the likes of Andre Holmes last year.  If he doesnt crack the starting unit, now he is in battle with guys who bring a totally different dimension to the group and based on Beanes comments and signings, its clear Beane desires some size in this room.  

 

So, again, this is why I think Zay has an uphill battle.  And like last year, many said I was crazy about what I said about Foster, and he turned out to be our best WR by seasons end.  

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

One important thing about last year and this year:

 

Last year, I was one of the few that said Foster was likely going to make the week 1 roster.  Many said I was crazy.  Why did I say he would...not because of all the catches he made, but because he brought something different the other likely kept WRs didnt have...and that was speed and getting open.  He was struggling tracking the ball in preseason, but he was blowing by defenders and getting open.  That different element is what gave him the edge to crack the roster.  

 

This year, enter Duke Williams (and David Sills V).  Like last year, they both have strengths to their game that are not present in the other likely WRs to be on this roster.  Beane brought in 3 big WRs now, and thats a strong indicator he is looking for some size to compliment the other WRs and give Allen a big Redzone and first down target to work with.  

 

There are only so many spots available, and Brown, Foster, and Cole are pretty safe bets to not only be here week 1, but be the top 3 pecking order to start the year off.  Zay could still win a starting spot, and he WILL be given that shot.  But its a lot harder this year than facing off against the likes of Andre Holmes last year.  If he doesnt crack the starting unit, now he is in battle with guys who bring a totally different dimension to the group and based on Beanes comments and signings, its clear Beane desires some size in this room.  

 

So, again, this is why I think Zay has an uphill battle.  And like last year, many said I was crazy about what I said about Foster, and he turned out to be our best WR by seasons end.  

 

I think that is kind of where I am. To me Duke and Sills project to be able to do everything Zay does, plus high point the ball, be red zone threats and make plays on contested catches. Now obviously they have yet to prove anything. Even Nick Easley could give you elite quickness from the slot position. They all bring something different from the table. You could call Zay an all around guy, but everything about him is mediocre. Brown and Foster give you elite speed, and Beasley is a really good slot guy. 

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

However, the thing is Andre Holmes did catch 50 (actually 47) passes for almost 700 yards in 2014 with the Raiders, and continued being a Raider for another 2 years, which is part of the point of this thread.  

 

Additionally, it is my understanding that Cole Beasley is a slot receiver, my apologies if I am wrong.  I therefore am not sure Cole is going to take reps from the #2 wide out, although he might.

 

If the Bills let Zay go, all you guys are right.  For some of us, it isn't that we love Zay so much, we just realize that a guy who put up those numbers last year, and who also led the team, albeit meekly with 27 receptions the year before as a rookie, and who is a second round pick of this coach, who is liked by the coaching staff and played more downs at an offensive skill position than any other Bill last year is going to be so unseeded right of the roster by the crew coming in just doesn't seem very plausible.

 

I will say this...if the better of him is on the roster, fine, good luck to him.  I'm just not sure the numbers are there on this roster as constituted to put him in likely the 7th spot and on the FA market.

 

Keep in mind, this isnt about whether Zay completely sucks or cant be in the NFL, I never said and thats not my intention.  But let me point out Stevie Johnson because I have had a similarly path with Zay as I did with Stevie.

 

On draft night, I liked both picks (although I preferred JuJu, but still liked Zay too).  With Stevie, I was laughed at for liking the pick (similar how people are mocking the excitement a lot of us have in David Sills V) because he was a lower round pick...that is until he emerged.  I started as a supporter and an early fan as he emerged.  But after watching him over a couple seasons, I began to become critical of his ceiling and relevance.  

 

Was Stevie really good or a JAG who was compiling stats in mostly meaningless minutes to look more productive than he was.  Again, people mocked me even questioning it.  Stevie then leaves in his prime, and becomes just another guy for a few years and was out of the league.  Everything I said about him was proven correct the moment he left Buffalo, even while playing with a future HOF QB.  

 

Enter Zay Jones.  Fans are lashing out here over some pretty mediocre stat totals and without actually analyzing the week to week context of those totals.  Sounds familiar to me as its all the same arguments I got when I was critical of Stevie, Trent and Fitz.  I argued totals are a fools gold conclusion every time and lack the context of what their real week to week value was.  

 

So for me, its nothing more than I don't see Zay showing up when it matters, I dont see him stepping up against good competition, and I have seen less heralded WR's like Foster out play him.  

 

But now the real test begins...he is no longer competing against scrubs for playing time.  Any WR can put some stats up if there is no one else to throw to.  But now, we got some proven weapons and some young hungry guys with their own potential.  He may prove his doubters wrong, and I would LOVE that.  But its no sure thing in my book.  

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Its not wrong at all.  Explain to me then why Zay was utterly dominated by corners in Week 14 against the Jets, week 15 against the Lions (maybe his worst game of his career), and week 16 against the Pats?  You know that period where people keep falsely saying "Zay came on strong down the stretch".  

 

He struggled a lot with beating press coverage, he gets physically dominated by corners who weigh less than him.  Where is his production?  3 games...Jets game (mostly when game was out of reach) with Barkley, and 2 Miami games against a woeful team where in week 17 they didnt even bother to show up.  

 

Show me where he is factoring into games when it matters and against stronger competition.  In 74% of his career games he had less than 40 yards receiving.  In 30 career games he never had a 100 gave despite starting all of them.  Foster as an UDFA had 3 100 games in his final 7 games coming back from being cut.  

 

When half of your career TD production comes in 2 games against Miami last year, I am not impressed.  Where was he when we played the better teams?  Foster stepped up, why didnt Zay?  Same team, same circumstances.  

 

Truth of the matter, the vast majority of Zays catches and yards last year came on plays where Allen took off out of the pocket.  Why?  Because our WR's were not getting open early in their routes often enough and our OL couldn't hold the pocket to give them more time to.  Allen had to scramble where its extremely difficult for a DB to keep holding coverage that long and when things break down.  I want a WR who gets open initially for our QB to hit them early, not on a scramble because no one was open on their primary route.  

 

Our whole WR group struggled with this last year, not all on Zay, even Foster did too.  But people want to point to his "totals" and make false conclusions to it that don't match the tape.  

 

PS:  I guess you also missed the part where Beane added FIVE relevant WR's this offseason too  

 

I mean, this is devolving to the point that without film, this isn't going anywhere. 

 

But the season is around the corner.  Zay will be on the team. Zay will get greater than 50% of the snaps.  It is clear the coaching staff disagrees with this entire thread.  

 

And that bolded part, if you really believe that, there is just no reasoning with you.  That is just a silly statement. We brought in two starters, and then a bunch of scrubs.  Sills might make the team, but that is a long shot. Duke is not going to make the team. Roberts is a specialist, so he might, but he isn't getting snaps at WR.  There is little to no real competition for Zay's spot. 

[Shaw66]

36 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Its amazing that after that draft, where we didn't draft a single WR, more people who have agreed with that OP haven't walked away realizing they just have no idea what they are talking about.  I understand saying he has too many drops (he actually only had 3 last year), because that was a problem for him his rookie year, but to say he doesn't get separation is just wrong. It is like saying vaccines are bad for children. Sure, you are entitled to your opinion, but it's wrong. Like, as a point of fact, it is just wrong. 

Sills changes the picture, in my opinion.  If he shows promise, the Bill's won't want to risk putting him on the practice squad.  Of, as most seem to think, Beasley, Brown and Foster are the top three, Zay's upside has to be better than Williams or Sills.  It might be hard for Zay to show more upside than either.  

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I mean, this is devolving to the point that without film, this isn't going anywhere. 

 

But the season is around the corner.  Zay will be on the team. Zay will get greater than 50% of the snaps.  It is clear the coaching staff disagrees with this entire thread.  

 

And that bolded part, if you really believe that, there is just no reasoning with you.  That is just a silly statement. We brought in two starters, and then a bunch of scrubs.  Sills might make the team, but that is a long shot. Duke is not going to make the team. Roberts is a specialist, so he might, but he isn't getting snaps at WR.  There is little to no real competition for Zay's spot. 

 

What was your opinion on Foster last year in preseason.  Bet you thought he was a "scrub" too.  

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Sills changes the picture, in my opinion.  If he shows promise, the Bill's won't want to risk putting him on the practice squad.  Of, as most seem to think, Beasley, Brown and Foster are the top three, Zay's upside has to be better than Williams or Sills.  It might be hard for Zay to show more upside than either.  

 

Agreed.  If anyone watched the E:60 piece on Sills, they will know several teams wanted him.  If he shows promise he wont be safe to stash on the PS.  Now if he struggles, thats another thing and they probably risk it.  

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I mean, this is devolving to the point that without film, this isn't going anywhere. 

 

But the season is around the corner.  Zay will be on the team. Zay will get greater than 50% of the snaps.  It is clear the coaching staff disagrees with this entire thread.  

 

And that bolded part, if you really believe that, there is just no reasoning with you.  That is just a silly statement. We brought in two starters, and then a bunch of scrubs.  Sills might make the team, but that is a long shot. Duke is not going to make the team. Roberts is a specialist, so he might, but he isn't getting snaps at WR.  There is little to no real competition for Zay's spot. 

 

Some of us did watch film when forming our opinions  

Edited May 2, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What was your opinion on Foster last year in preseason.  Bet you thought he was a "scrub" too.  

 

Agreed.  If anyone watched the E:60 piece on Sills, they will know several teams wanted him.  If he shows promise he wont be safe to stash on the PS.  Now if he struggles, thats another thing and they probably risk it.  

 

I did watch film...probably why its not going anywhere with you, because you haven't.  

 

Just because Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round doesn't mean 6th round QBs are destined for greatness. I realize its an extreme comparison, but undrafted WRs rarely make football things.  It could happen, sure, but the odds are wayyyy against him. 

 

I mean, come on.  We have probably spent an hour or more of our day posting on the message board.  Do you really think either of is not the type of Bills nerds that would pay for the All-22 during the season and re-watch this stuff? 

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Jones and Moulds are nothing alike. 

 

I mean Moulds' first year he was playing with prime Andre Reed and behind Quinn Early and did not get a ton of opportunities. His second year he played with Todd Collins. And I do remember people feeling like he was a bust. Year three was his breakout with Doug Flutie and Andre Reed clearly on the downside at 34. IIt was also the first time he really got a legit opportunity to play. 

 

Look at the numbers: 

1996 Moulds started 5 games. He was targeted 37 times and had 20 receptions. 

1997 Moulds started 8 games. He was targeted 52 times and had 29 receptions. Not sure if Todd Collins sucked more than Tyrod. It's debatable. 

1998 Moulds started 15 games. He was targeted 116 times and had 67 receptions for 1,368 yards and 20.4 yards per reception and 9 touchdowns. (Aside from a December game against the Raiders, none of these games were blowouts with garbage time.) This was also during a time where the league was not as pass happy as it is now. 

Even in his early years, there was some evidence of game breaking ability. But people did question him, despite the lack of targets and opportunities. 

 

2017 Jones started 10 games. He was targeted 74 times and had 27 receptions. (Plus a sweet playoff game with 2 catches on 4 targets for 20 yards.)

2018 Jones started 15 games. He was targeted 102 times and had 56 receptions for  652 yards and 11.6 yards per receptions and 7 TDs. (remember that these stats were padded in garbage time play)

 

I think this is not an apt comparison. One guy had zero opportunity to play and when he finally got the chance he broke out in a huge way. the other has had a million opportunities and has been super mediocre. 

 

Jones was targeted 102 times and hd just 652 yards. To me that is a staggering number. One of these guys was a game breaking player who sat behind a legend and HOF player his first two years and when he had his chance to shine, broke out. In two years Zay Jones has been targeted 176 times and has 83 career catches and less than 1000 yards. 176 targets and less than 100 yards!!! That's crazy. He has been a focal point of the offense and has put up very mediocre and pedestrian numbers. He has had these opportunities because of his draft status. Anybody else would have been cut. He's lucky we've been in a rebuild. That, and his draft status are the only reasons he is still around. 

What do you mean zero opportunity to play? Quinn Early was here in 1998 just like he was in the first 2 years of Moulds career as was Andre Reed. The Bills also had Kevin Williams as well in 1998. Moulds didn't play as much or as well his first two years because he wasn't as good of a player or the light didn't go on yet. Year 3 was when the light went on for him and he started to get it and that is why he got more playing time. Not because of the amount of receivers we had

[Alphadawg7]

56 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Its amazing that after that draft, where we didn't draft a single WR, more people who have agreed with that OP haven't walked away realizing they just have no idea what they are talking about.  I understand saying he has too many drops (he actually only had 3 last year), because that was a problem for him his rookie year, but to say he doesn't get separation is just wrong. It is like saying vaccines are bad for children. Sure, you are entitled to your opinion, but it's wrong. Like, as a point of fact, it is just wrong. 

 

Then why does Zay Jones show up 8 times on this video, and actually I think it was 9 times (as I lost count after 6) and there were several also where you couldn't see the jersey number to know who it was.  And this is ONLY in the Josh Allen games, not including the others that NP, DA and MB played.

 

So again, sorry you are wrong.  And man, some of these Zay drops are pretty bad.  

 

 

Edited May 2, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Chandler#81]

Idk, Dawg, you’re winning me over. Zey set all time records for catches in college. That in itself is amazing. But we saw in his rookie season he was haphazard in the route tree, to say nothing of concentration. For you to win this, the new talent doesn’t have a lot of time to knock him all the way down to expendable. Which is what your bold prediction is predicated on. Figure Roberts makes the squad -he’s the Leagues best Return Man. That leaves Williams & Sills to outshine him from early August to Sept 8. 

You're criteria is simply he won’t make the team. Trading him before final cutdowns is a win-win as we get another decent Draft pick and ‘the Dawg’ elevates his standard to God. Not Thee God, just a god..

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Then why does Zay Jones show up 8 times on this video, and actually I think it was 9 times (as I lost count after 6) and there were several also where you couldn't see the jersey number to know who it was.  And this is ONLY in the Josh Allen games, not including the others that NP, DA and MB played.

 

So again, sorry you are wrong.  And man, some of these Zay drops are pretty bad.  

 

 

You know Zay's number is 11, right? 

 

I counted two true drops.  I counted four passes that were uncatchable. 

 

That would comport with the NFL stats, since Zay officially has three drops on the entire 2018 season.  

[Buffalo Junction]

35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

One important thing about last year and this year:

 

Last year, I was one of the few that said Foster was likely going to make the week 1 roster.  Many said I was crazy.  Why did I say he would...not because of all the catches he made, but because he brought something different the other likely kept WRs didnt have...and that was speed and getting open.  He was struggling tracking the ball in preseason, but he was blowing by defenders and getting open.  That different element is what gave him the edge to crack the roster.  

 

This year, enter Duke Williams (and David Sills V).  Like last year, they both have strengths to their game that are not present in the other likely WRs to be on this roster.  Beane brought in 3 big WRs now, and thats a strong indicator he is looking for some size to compliment the other WRs and give Allen a big Redzone and first down target to work with.  

 

There are only so many spots available, and Brown, Foster, and Cole are pretty safe bets to not only be here week 1, but be the top 3 pecking order to start the year off.  Zay could still win a starting spot, and he WILL be given that shot.  But its a lot harder this year than facing off against the likes of Andre Holmes last year.  If he doesnt crack the starting unit, now he is in battle with guys who bring a totally different dimension to the group and based on Beanes comments and signings, its clear Beane desires some size in this room.  

 

So, again, this is why I think Zay has an uphill battle.  And like last year, many said I was crazy about what I said about Foster, and he turned out to be our best WR by seasons end.  

I’m not sure it’s about size, but rather beating the press and making contested catches. The problem for Jones is that he’s not massive, and he doesn’t play big either. He doesn’t seem to play with that Debo “my ball” attitude. 

 

Zay has a shot though. He’s going to need to show up in camp with a good report with Allen... And he’s going have to show he’s improved dramatically at the LOS. 

 

It’s going to be fun watching this competition. I fully expect Daboll to establish a rotation at WR depending on matchups and schemes. Unless a player really shows out (my moneys on Foster) the “starters” May very well change week to week. 

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I’m not sure it’s about size, but rather beating the press and making contested catches. The problem for Jones is that he’s not massive, and he doesn’t play big either. He doesn’t seem to play with that Debo “my ball” attitude. 

 

Zay has a shot though. He’s going to need to show up in camp with a good report with Allen... And he’s going have to show he’s improved dramatically at the LOS. 

 

It’s going to be fun watching this competition. I fully expect Daboll to establish a rotation at WR depending on matchups and schemes. Unless a player really shows out (my moneys on Foster) the “starters” May very well change week to week. 

or if a starter goes down, or a DB limps off the field, or 2 minute Drill. Whatever 6-7 make the 53, we’ll have options.

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

You know Zay's number is 11, right? 

 

I counted two true drops.  I counted four passes that were uncatchable. 

 

That would comport with the NFL stats, since Zay officially has three drops on the entire 2018 season.  

 

What?!  Hahaha, wow...No wonder we disagree if you think only 2 of those were "true drops".  I would bet everything I own in life that his coaches didn't give him a pass in the film room.  

 

No disrespect man, its all good and this is definitely not personal or anything, I got no issue with you or your differing opinion.  I mean, we are all Bills fans and just want whats best for the Bills.  

 

But wow, I am a dumbfounded on how you can only fault Zay on 2 and give him a pass on the rest.  

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

One important thing about last year and this year:

 

Last year, I was one of the few that said Foster was likely going to make the week 1 roster.  Many said I was crazy.  Why did I say he would...not because of all the catches he made, but because he brought something different the other likely kept WRs didnt have...and that was speed and getting open.  He was struggling tracking the ball in preseason, but he was blowing by defenders and getting open.  That different element is what gave him the edge to crack the roster.  

 

This year, enter Duke Williams (and David Sills V).  Like last year, they both have strengths to their game that are not present in the other likely WRs to be on this roster.  Beane brought in 3 big WRs now, and thats a strong indicator he is looking for some size to compliment the other WRs and give Allen a big Redzone and first down target to work with.  

 

There are only so many spots available, and Brown, Foster, and Cole are pretty safe bets to not only be here week 1, but be the top 3 pecking order to start the year off.  Zay could still win a starting spot, and he WILL be given that shot.  But its a lot harder this year than facing off against the likes of Andre Holmes last year.  If he doesnt crack the starting unit, now he is in battle with guys who bring a totally different dimension to the group and based on Beanes comments and signings, its clear Beane desires some size in this room.  

 

So, again, this is why I think Zay has an uphill battle.  And like last year, many said I was crazy about what I said about Foster, and he turned out to be our best WR by seasons end.  

 

So you think that Brown and Foster start on the outside with Beasley in the slot?  Just asking.

Maybe, but I want to see what Daboll's offensive schemes are going to be like first.

What personnel groups will be fielded the most?

I can also see that at times during a game that Foster and Brown split reps and stretch the field on

multiple plays were they need a breathers in between plays.  That could pressure opposing secondary's all game long.  

I want to see if he uses the WRs in a more rotational basis (more in tune with what the Pats* do) than a conventional system.

Are they going to use multiple tight ends often?

 

When it comes to every WR on the team, I feel that catching JAs harder thrown slightly inaccurate passes and knowing how to work back

to him in extended plays and being aware he can throw the ball to you anywhere on the field will sort out this group.

This year it will be all about who plays the best with Josh Allen.

 

Andre Roberts has also been very vocal in wanting to make the team as a WR too and not just a ST guy.

Had had a couple of OK years receiving in ARZ and he also took some rushes for some decent results.

That could take away some of McKenzie's worth.  I mention this about Andre to maybe get the whole

Bills might keep 7 receivers thing.  I don't see that happening especially IF Roberts has some worth at WR.

 

I just want to end with BOTH the Brown and Roberts contracts can be traded later this summer with minimal

problems if either do not prove their worth after the summer.  More smart contracts by Beane's team.

 

Let them all go to camp and keep healthy.  There is a lot less "locks" than people think.

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Idk, Dawg, you’re winning me over. Zey set all time records for catches in college. That in itself is amazing. But we saw in his rookie season he was haphazard in the route tree, to say nothing of concentration. For you to win this, the new talent doesn’t have a lot of time to knock him all the way down to expendable. Which is what your bold prediction is predicated on. Figure Roberts makes the squad -he’s the Leagues best Return Man. That leaves Williams & Sills to outshine him from early August to Sept 8. 

You're criteria is simply he won’t make the team. Trading him before final cutdowns is a win-win as we get another decent Draft pick and ‘the Dawg’ elevates his standard to God. Not Thee God, just a god..

 

Hahaha...nice man.  Well I will say this, you certainly get my point as good as anyone.  

 

At the end of the day, if Zay is a role player/backup, I just think that kind of play and production is quite possible to be had between guys like Duke, Sills, Mckenzie too (although he has to get his drops under control himself in McKenzie).  I totally agree Roberts is close to a lock unless he gets hurt or gets the dropsies in return duties during camp.  

 

Zay is the only one with trade value, just like how everyone was upset we traded AJM and kept NP last year.  No one was trading for NP, and they weren't keeping both.  So they traded AJM because they could get a 5th for him, which proved valuable and useful in guaranteeing we got Cody Ford.  So if Zay is hovering in the same zone as Duke and those other guys, I think Beane would will look to take some value in for Zay and keep the others promising young guys.  

 

Of course, Zay could excel in camp too, he will be given every opportunity to I expect.  But the question is, can he create enough separation from the other guys to warrant cutting them and get nothing in return, or trading Zay for a draft asset and keeping the other young guys.  

 

And one factor that sticks out is how hungry Duke is to prove his redemption and he belongs and how determined and hungry Sills has been to do the same.  I just believe they will be more of a factor than some think.  Doesnt mean I am right, but its what I believe.  

 

 

Edited May 2, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Buffalo Junction]

9 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

or if a starter goes down, or a DB limps off the field, or 2 minute Drill. Whatever 6-7 make the 53, we’ll have options.

Pretty much. I think it’s going to be a rotation based on matchups. That’s how you make it happen with a bunch of 2’s and 3’s. Foster is definitely the most likely to become a #1 right now. I think a lot of folks have brushed over how he seemed to improve against zone last year. If he keeps that up and improves against press... watch out. Of course... All these guys except Beasley come with a risk of regression. ?‍♂️

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

So you think that Brown and Foster start on the outside with Beasley in the slot?  Just asking.

Maybe, but I want to see what Daboll's offensive schemes are going to be like first.

What personnel groups will be fielded the most?

I can also see that at times during a game that Foster and Brown split reps and stretch the field on

multiple plays were they need a breathers in between plays.  That could pressure opposing secondary's all game long.  

I want to see if he uses the WRs in a more rotational basis (more in tune with what the Pats* do) than a conventional system.

Are they going to use multiple tight ends often?

 

When it comes to every WR on the team, I feel that catching JAs harder thrown slightly inaccurate passes and knowing how to work back

to him in extended plays and being aware he can throw the ball to you anywhere on the field will sort out this group.

This year it will be all about who plays the best with Josh Allen.

 

Andre Roberts has also been very vocal in wanting to make the team as a WR too and not just a ST guy.

Had had a couple of OK years receiving in ARZ and he also took some rushes for some decent results.

That could take away some of McKenzie's worth.  I mention this about Andre to maybe get the whole

Bills might keep 7 receivers thing.  I don't see that happening especially IF Roberts has some worth at WR.

 

I just want to end with BOTH the Brown and Roberts contracts can be traded later this summer with minimal

problems if either do not prove their worth after the summer.  More smart contracts by Beane's team.

 

Let them all go to camp and keep healthy.  There is a lot less "locks" than people think.

 

I like this post and dont really disagree with any of it.  I actually think someone like Duke could push to start.  Be great to have a speedster on one side, a big catch radius guy on the other, and speedy slot guy in Cole.  Duke has to prove he can do it in the NFL still, but if he has a strong camp and preseason it wouldn't surprise me to see him and Brown starting with them rotating Foster in for deep pressure.  

 

Thats all speculation right now of course, but I think Daboll and McD like to attack levels.  And if someone like Duke can emerge, it makes the offense quite difficult to defend when you add in our new TE's and Shady as a reciever too out of the back field.  We can attack everywhere on the field.  Then bring in both Foster and Brown when you want to take the top off and open up the middle.  

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What?!  Hahaha, wow...No wonder we disagree if you think only 2 of those were "true drops".  I would bet everything I own in life that his coaches didn't give him a pass in the film room.  

 

No disrespect man, its all good and this is definitely not personal or anything, I got no issue with you or your differing opinion.  I mean, we are all Bills fans and just want whats best for the Bills.  

 

But wow, I am a dumbfounded on how you can only fault Zay on 2 and give him a pass on the rest.  

 

Look at this way. I think he had two, you think he had more.  What is the objective tie breaker? The NFL stats department.  Maybe the coaches didn't give him a pass, but we don't know.  The fact that they didn't draft a WR is probably a good indicator they don't view it how you say. 

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39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Then why does Zay Jones show up 8 times on this video, and actually I think it was 9 times (as I lost count after 6) and there were several also where you couldn't see the jersey number to know who it was.  And this is ONLY in the Josh Allen games, not including the others that NP, DA and MB played.

 

So again, sorry you are wrong.  And man, some of these Zay drops are pretty bad.  

 

 

 

Oh I don't know 

 

Maybe BECAUSE he was the leading target / receiver.