JohnC Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Not sure I agree. Overall they will build through the draft but they aren't saving all that free cap space for 3-4 seasons from now. I would expect them to go for one or two big names in free agency this year and it just so happens that the biggest names are on the offensive line. Beane came right out and said he would love a veteran center protecting Allen. They don't want to rely on a rookie for that job. I expect them to go pretty hard after Paradis or Morse even if they have to overpay. Being smart with the salary cap allows you to overpay a couple free agents per year. I really think they are trying to build the team like that Patriots. Draft your own, establish your system, but go for a big free agent now and again when it fits a need. I don't disagree with anything you said. What I would like to add is that I think this regime would be willing to spend some extra cash to get a dependable receiver for Allen. Getting a #1 caliber receiver is difficult to acquire from the market. Recognizing that there are some good quality #2 caliber receivers and TEs out there that should help put the our young qb in a better position to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Wow... he did come cheap.. He might not even be there Week 1 Yeah he will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Not sure I agree. Overall they will build through the draft but they aren't saving all that free cap space for 3-4 seasons from now. I would expect them to go for one or two big names in free agency this year and it just so happens that the biggest names are on the offensive line. Beane came right out and said he would love a veteran center protecting Allen. They don't want to rely on a rookie for that job. I expect them to go pretty hard after Paradis or Morse even if they have to overpay. Being smart with the salary cap allows you to overpay a couple free agents per year. I really think they are trying to build the team like that Patriots. Draft your own, establish your system, but go for a big free agent now and again when it fits a need. Shaw thinks there's not much difference between most o-linemen who are playing and he further believes that one can find fellas sitting on the couch waiting for a chance to play who are just about as good as the marginal olinemen who make up the bulk of the NFL. (This is how I recollect a conversation last year with him.) I just don't agree with his assessment of the position. Franchise success is largely related to how well you develop the qb position. Josh Allen has a much better chance of succeeding with a significant upgrade in talent around him. The oline should be priority number one. What's the point of being prudent or frugal while you have a potential franchise qb on a rookie contract? This is when you should go after the best veteran olinemen available. If Bills don't make a strong push for D. Williams and either Morse or Paradis, I'll be surprised. Edited February 14, 2019 by Dr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Yeah he will We’ll see.. I don’t think the $1.2 Mil will count for much if some rookie or Boettger is beating him out in camp.. Edited February 14, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JohnC said: I don't disagree with anything you said. What I would like to add is that I think this regime would be willing to spend some extra cash to get a dependable receiver for Allen. Getting a #1 caliber receiver is difficult to acquire from the market. Recognizing that there are some good quality #2 caliber receivers and TEs out there that should help put the our young qb in a better position to succeed. I agree with Gunner Bill that a fella like Golden Tate would provide the veteran leadership the wr corps presently lacks. In addition, I hope they expend an early pick (not necessarily in the first) on WR. My understanding is there is pretty good depth at TE in the draft, so there ought to be a good chance to improve there, but really, we need youth at all the skill positions on offense. Edited February 14, 2019 by Dr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wow, he looks a lot better than I expected. Moves really well. It's clear from these highlights that he's much better at Guard than Center, but either way, this guy is a major upgrade from Miller or Ducasse. I see this move is a contingency plan for if we don't land a top FA OL. The backup plan would probably be Bodine at Center & Long at Guard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, JohnC said: What I would like to add is that I think this regime would be willing to spend some extra cash to get a dependable receiver for Allen. Getting a #1 caliber receiver is difficult to acquire from the market I agree but yeah the market isn't there this year. If someone like AJ Green is available could see us swinging a trade for him. But I'm hoping they straight up buy an offensive line. I don't trust rookie linemen and we could use to replace everyone except Dawkins and maybe Teller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Can everyone calm down a bit now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Can everyone calm down a bit now? Ha ha. Actually after hearing those contract numbers I'm excited about the signing. If Long can compete for a starting G job and be a competent C backup AND it get's Bodine cut by end of camp (or earlier)..................it's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Can everyone calm down a bit now? I mentioned the other day that when the national reporters tweet out contract #s immediately, it’s usually right from the agent and the agent wants it to look like the biggest contract as possible. It’s rarely how it appears when it is broken down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) After seeing these contract numbers, there really shouldn't be a single Bills fan that's still upset about his signing. That is an OUTSTANDING value for a player of Long's talent (when healthy). And if he doesn't remain healthy or is unable to win a starting job, the Bills can easily cut him with no negative long term ramifications. Awesome job by Beane. Also, with these new numbers in mind, I no longer feel that Long's signing will preclude the Bills from signing other quality o-linemen. Edited February 14, 2019 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: Can everyone calm down a bit now? Jesus...this I know that this is a bit of a culture shock to folks given the last 2 years......but we just cleared out a HUGE amount of cap space to sign players....that is behind us....and we are in play for whoever we want that will take the bills money. Then Beane being the shrewed guy he is.....signs a veteran OG/OC on the cheap.....more moves are coming folkd....lets throw money at Denver's center and play this guy at OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 1:03 PM, John from Riverside said: Do stay.....we always need unwanted posters to throw darts at The ignore user feature is your friend. Apply liberally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: The ignore user feature is your friend. Apply liberally... Agreed Lurker.....I do need to use it more. I am now thinking the real strife of our visiting ugly green team wearing folks is that their team paid SO MUCH for the guy while we paid so little. Dont blame us because our front office is better 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Logic said: After seeing these contract numbers, there really shouldn't be a single Bills fan that's still upset about his signing. That is an OUTSTANDING value for a player of Long's talent (when healthy). And if he doesn't remain healthy or is unable to win a starting job, the Bills can easily cut him with no negative long term ramifications. Awesome job by Beane. Also, with these new numbers in mind, I no longer feel that Long's signing will preclude the Bills from signing other quality o-linemen. Yes sir. If this causes Bodine (who only plays Center) to be let go (2.3 million in cap savings) and Long is at 4 this year........... ...............Beane upgraded to a swing G/C who may start at G for an extra 1.7 million. Great value move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Yes sir. If this causes Bodine (who only plays Center) to be let go (2.3 million in cap savings) and Long is at 4 this year........... ...............Beane upgraded to a swing G/C who may start at G for an extra 1.7 million. Great value move. I imagine Gunner would be quite happy with this (not meant as a poke....just following your thoughts on it Gunner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I mentioned the other day that when the national reporters tweet out contract #s immediately, it’s usually right from the agent and the agent wants it to look like the biggest contract as possible. It’s rarely how it appears when it is broken down. So, can I delete the 50 some posts from ledge jumpers that claim we’re doomed? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 52 minutes ago, Logic said: After seeing these contract numbers, there really shouldn't be a single Bills fan that's still upset about his signing. That is an OUTSTANDING value for a player of Long's talent (when healthy). And if he doesn't remain healthy or is unable to win a starting job, the Bills can easily cut him with no negative long term ramifications.Awesome job by Beane. Also, with these new numbers in mind, I no longer feel that Long's signing will preclude the Bills from signing other quality o-linemen. Looking at the contract numbers this is another Beane "steal" and well done. I don't see this player at center and in my view is a direct upgrade for Miller at RG. Which puts an actual warm body in that position as Miller will be gone as a UFA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: So, can I delete the 50 some posts from ledge jumpers that claim we’re doomed? No, just C&P and save for the next signing 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I don't care about contracts and numbers....is this guy a good player? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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