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12 hours ago, eSJayDee said:

As I recall, he wasn't that good as a rookie, but showed promise.  His 2nd yr he was pretty good.  He regressed once Castillo came & they changed schemes.  I think the new OL coach should have a strong say as to whether or not he's worth trying to salvage for the $.

Accurate assessment.  This year was clearly his worst. I don't know if I'd sign even as depth. Time to move on.

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7 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Won't break my heart either way. I would rather blame you guys later.

 

I’m sure that room will be rather crowded. That’s how it works ‘round these parts. 

11 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Accurate assessment.  This year was clearly his worst. I don't know if I'd sign even as depth. Time to move on.

 

But with the right coaching and scheme, can he be salvaged? I really have no idea. 

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22 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m sure that room will be rather crowded. That’s how it works ‘round these parts. 

 

But with the right coaching and scheme, can he be salvaged? I really have no idea. 

 

...something ain't passing the smell test Augie....the guy went from the opinionated penthouse to the outhouse too quickly....and it was to alleged to be Castillo's scheme...maybe Nine Juan Juan is gone because he failed to develop a scheme to fit his personnel versus his inflexible thinking?.....

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7 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

Agree. I like to give the new OL coach a shot at him. He does have some talent.

New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement.  OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason

 

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9 hours ago, thurst44 said:

If Buffalo Rumblings is correct about his price, sure. He's showed extended flashes of promise (unfortunately has been a disaster more often), but as many have said here, maybe with a new coach, and it's insurance if we bust on all of our FA OL. 

excellent ! !

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4 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement.  OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason

 

They would have to sign him first... that’s the point of the thread. He’s a FA. Should the Bills re-sign him?

From the article:

Contract Projection

If I’m the Bills, I offer Miller Vlad Ducasse money because I’m probably only keeping one of them around. Ducasse is set to make $2 million in 2019, the final year of his contract. That number is mostly in line with the other contracts listed above, which value marginal starting guards at just over $2 million per season.

Two years, $4.8 million including $500,000 signing bonus

2019
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2 million
Cap hit: $2.25 million

2020
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2.3 million
Cap hit: $2.55 million

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You have to wonder if it is a coaching or scheme fit.  He seems to have the physical tools.

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They would have to sign him first... that’s the point of the thread. He’s a FA. Should the Bills re-sign him?

From the article:

 

 

Beat me to it Yolo.

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18 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...was reading an article on the Top TEN FA OL......Miller was at #9...........

 

9. John Miller, Guard

After playing only four games and being benched for Vladimir Ducasse in 2017, Miller returned to a starting role with the Buffalo Bills last season. At just 25 years old, Miller offers teams a younger option than some of the names on this list, but also an option that hasn’t yet broken an overall grade of 70.0 in a season. This past season, he was only charged with one sack in 529 pass-blocking snaps, however.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-10-interior-offensive-linemen-set-to-enter-free-agency-in-2019

 

 

 

Interesting that he only allowed one sack all season--no doubt Allen's scrambling ability helped all the line in that stat, but still impressive.

 

I really like the idea of Finney, seems to have a big upside, many years left, and could be reasonably affordable.

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1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

Interesting that he only allowed one sack all season--no doubt Allen's scrambling ability helped all the line in that stat, but still impressive.

 

I really like the idea of Finney, seems to have a big upside, many years left, and could be reasonably affordable.

It's not so impressive when you have so many weak links in the chain like the 2018 Buffalo Bills had on that line. Literally, every position looked like a liability at some point...even Dion Dawkins.

 

 https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-interior-offensive-line

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1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

It's not so impressive when you have so many weak links in the chain like the 2018 Buffalo Bills had on that line. Literally, every position looked like a liability at some point...even Dion Dawkins.

 

 https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-interior-offensive-line

It seems like you’re all over the place.  You say the oline had a ton of weaknesses yet Miller only allowed one sack.  Wouldn’t that make that more impressive? 

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On 2/10/2019 at 8:35 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Two years, $4.8 million including $500,000 signing bonus

2019
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2 million
Cap hit: $2.25 million

2020
Pro-rated signing bonus: $250,000
Salary: $2.3 million
Cap hit: $2.55 million

 

I sign him to this today as insurance. Then I try to find an upgrade when FA starts - or in the draft if that fails.  He can pass block so at minimum I know he can keep Allen upright. Still I can’t help but wonder why he isn’t at LG. Seems like it’d be a much better fit for a guy who can pass block way better than he can run block.  If he doesn’t sign it then I’m looking elsewhere in FA. 

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I really was in this kids corner for a long time.....but as bad as this OL was last year and as bad as he PLAYED on this bad OL.......I would be looking to replace him.

 

The only guys I would even keep are Teller and Dawkins

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On 2/10/2019 at 1:05 PM, ProcessTruster said:

New OL coach will watch all the tape , see him in mini camp , etc. and make a judgement.  OL guys are hard to come by, so be careful b4 you start shooting everyone in the offseason

 

 

He was 1 of the worst O-linemen on one of the worst O-lines in the NFL:  IF he CAN NOT easily be replaced, the scouting/personnel department should be...

 

 

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On 2/10/2019 at 12:41 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

 

As far as I'm concerned the Rob Johnson scheme is to take sacks, throw interceptions and look like a douche. 

What, you didn't like the bandana look?😄

On 2/10/2019 at 7:42 AM, Coach Tuesday said:

Problem seems to be mental.

There's meds for that.

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In 2017,he got yanked in Cincinnati (rain game) and never suited up again that year..it was odd because he wasn't playing horribly.

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Another Whaley gem.

 

Hit the road, Jack!

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15 minutes ago, Rico said:

Another Whaley gem.

 

Hit the road, Jack!

 

Not specifically you, but I can’t help if I’m 5 years posters will be saying, “Another Bean Gem” sarcastically. 

 

Miller was by far not Whaley’s worst pick.

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Run blocking was the bigger problem with the Bills line. I’m not an O Line coach but it seems to me it comes down to power and technique to move the defender off the line. I have to wonder how much of that comes down to proper coaching and attention to detail.

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On 2/9/2019 at 11:39 PM, Rc2catch said:

I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t stick around and with some improvement contend for a starting job. All depends on his price tag right? 

I have my doubts they can draft/sign enough linemen to just lose everyone. 

The FO will judge locker room and work ethic and those will be deciding factors if they want to bring him back imo. Not just salary 

 

Improvement?, he has been in the league 4 years. I have seen enough.  He does make way too many mistakes, he set the record in 2018 for blocking air.  

 

There will be no improvement from him.

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