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D'haquille aka Duke Williams, Bills' newest WR better than any draft prospect

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Love how he rips down contested catches and his positions his body in traffic, 2 burners on the outside, Beasly and this guy in the middle, and Maybe Zay will decide to play like a 2nd round pic in year 3...Not having Kelvin Benjamin on the roster....all huge improvements 

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57 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said:

Love how he rips down contested catches and his positions his body in traffic, 2 burners on the outside, Beasly and this guy in the middle, and Maybe Zay will decide to play like a 2nd round pic in year 3...Not having Kelvin Benjamin on the roster....all huge improvements 

 

That's a big one.

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3 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

So if BPA is a QB or a CB they are taking them, if their second highest graded player, who is closely graded, is a position of need, they're going to take the QB??

 

He admitted that if QB was the BPA when the Bills' turn came up, they wouldn't take him.  But as I said, BPA is subjective and what one team might consider BPA at a certain position, another may not.

 

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...agreed...think the last one to go at #9 was Ebron (thought he was Bflo's pick vs Sammy) and look how long it's taken him to show up....could see McBeane trading down in the 1st to grab an extra 2nd......probably has his TE candidates graded out as 1, 1-A, 1-B, 1-C, etc.....perhaps marginal differences on the finer points....DL with the 1st(OL later because of FA activity IMO) and possibly a TE with the second 2nd......STRICTLY opinion and who the hell knows with him?......probably stays put at 9, selects a punter and casts TBD into TOTAL meltdown.....:thumbsup:

 

I could also see him trading back into the 1st to get Fant.  Anything is possible with this draft.

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5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

He admitted that if QB was the BPA when the Bills' turn came up, they wouldn't take him.  But as I said, BPA is subjective and what one team might consider BPA at a certain position, another may not.

 

 

I could also see him trading back into the 1st to get Fant.  Anything is possible with this draft.

 

Oh yeah.

I was just saying BPA in general.

Definitely subjective for BPA.

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6'3" 235... 30 inch vert. Eye test says he's around 4.6 IMO... Could be a useful red zone threat. I see he led the CFL in yards and TD's.

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17 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Depends where you can trade down to, and how willing you'd be to settle if he gets taken before where youb traded down to.

 

 

That is a huge point. If you trade down with the intent to draft a particular person at that spot, you can get burnt--always have a 2nd & 3rd option.

 

But, if you know you want a guy (like TJ Hock), just use the 9th pick you have. Don't get too cute trying to at something and risk losing the guy you really want. If he is the guy you want to get, get him when you can.

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David Sills vs Duke Williams is gonna be one of the sickest training camp battles this year IMO.

I think Duke wins because of experience.

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2 minutes ago, c-troop said:

David Sills vs Duke Williams is gonna be one of the sickest training camp battles this year IMO.

I think Duke wins because of experience.

I’d say it comes down to Duke, Sills, MCKenzie and DiMarco.  

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1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I’d say it comes down to Duke, Sills, MCKenzie and DiMarco.  


I don't see any value in bringing DiMarco back, and with the Roberts signing McKenzie is expendable.

Positionally speaking though, Sills and Williams are bringing something similar to the table making it a legitimate training camp battle.

The FB and the Gadget WR have their own competition elsewhere on the roster.   

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22 minutes ago, c-troop said:

David Sills vs Duke Williams is gonna be one of the sickest training camp battles this year IMO.

I think Duke wins because of experience.

The word is David Sills can't beat press coverage - judging by the way Duke Williams famously ran over a DB in the CFL, doubt that's as much of a concern.

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22 minutes ago, c-troop said:


I don't see any value in bringing DiMarco back, and with the Roberts signing McKenzie is expendable.

Positionally speaking though, Sills and Williams are bringing something similar to the table making it a legitimate training camp battle.

The FB and the Gadget WR have their own competition elsewhere on the roster.   

I didn’t think there was any value in keeping DiMarco the last 2 years.....but he was here.  So you’re saying there’s no chance he’s on the roster?

 

i hope Duke is the guy and I really like Sills, but McKenzie has actually made plays in the NFL.  To think he’s not involved is crazy just because we have Roberts

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36 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I didn’t think there was any value in keeping DiMarco the last 2 years.....but he was here.  So you’re saying there’s no chance he’s on the roster?

  

i hope Duke is the guy and I really like Sills, but McKenzie has actually made plays in the NFL.  To think he’s not involved is crazy just because we have Roberts


I don't think it's crazy considering the gauntlet of WRs recently signed, I see where you're coming from though.
It's always nice to have guys on the rosters who have made plays the league before.

However, it's obvious that they aren't satisfied with what we had last year, and bringing back DiMarco and McKenzie would be treadmilling the back end of our skill positions. 
 

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1 hour ago, c-troop said:

David Sills vs Duke Williams is gonna be one of the sickest training camp battles this year IMO.

I think Duke wins because of experience.

 

Agreed, but the battle is bigger than that.  Only Cole and Brown (barring injuries) are 100% locks and Foster is pretty close.  After that, all roster spots up for grabs.  

 

Zay, Duke, Sills, Roberts, McKenzie will all be competing for 3 roster spots.  

 

You are hearing this here first:  Duke and Sills may both make the final 53.  

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4 minutes ago, c-troop said:


I don't think it's crazy considering the gauntlet of WRs recently signed, I see where you're coming from though.
It's always nice to have guys on the rosters who have made plays the league before.

However, it's obvious that they aren't satisfied with what we had last year, and bringing back DiMarco and McKenzie would be treadmilling the back end of our skill positions. 
 

Agree to disagree.  McKenzie is a playmaker and has a good shot to make this team.  Especially if DiMarco is cut

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7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Agreed, but the battle is bigger than that.  Only Cole and Brown (barring injuries) are 100% locks and Foster is pretty close.  After that, all roster spots up for grabs.  

  

Zay, Duke, Sills, Roberts, McKenzie will all be competing for 3 roster spots.  

 

You are hearing this here first:  Duke and Sills may both make the final 53.  



Now, this is a spicy meatball! 😂

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Plenty of players have gone to the CFL after college to mature their game and ended up being stars in the NFL.  It would not be crazy if that happened for Williams who was a top recruit going into college and was dismissed for beating some people up at a bar.  Hopefully he has matured as a person and is ready to reach his potential.  This was a good move by the Bills even if they end up cutting him.  To me it's like getting a 5th/6th round WR pick with a high ceiling for free. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Agreed, but the battle is bigger than that.  Only Cole and Brown (barring injuries) are 100% locks and Foster is pretty close.  After that, all roster spots up for grabs.  

 

Zay, Duke, Sills, Roberts, McKenzie will all be competing for 3 roster spots.  

 

You are hearing this here first:  Duke and Sills may both make the final 53.  

 

I think Roberts is a lock as well. You've got Zay, Duke, McKenzie, Sills, fighting for 2.

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On 2/6/2019 at 1:45 PM, IgotBILLStopay said:

Just closely watched these highlights. The guy is arguably a more complete receiver than anyone coming out of college this year. He has speed (why did he run only a 4.72 at the combine?), separation, elevation, ability to catch in traffic and is elusive enough to rack up YAC. Almost every throw he catches at its highest point (except for the one where he was unsighted and it hits his helmet - he still comes up with it). Enjoy!! Very Very underrated signing by the Bills - could have a shot at our #1 if he has really matured from his college days.

 

 

https://www.cover1.net/farhan-lalji-of-tsn-discusses-bills-signing-of-wr-duke-williams/

 

Report from a Vancouver reporter who watched him all year. 8-10 teams wanted him - but he chose Buffalo for the fit. Highlights fit with josh Allen due to catch radius and high pointing the catch.

 

Coaches from CFL lauded his humility, focus hard work etc.

looks good. qb also looks like a superior passer to anything the bills have had in ages.

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22 minutes ago, without a drought said:

If highlight reels and CFL stats actually meant something.


his college stats aren't bad either considering the QB throwing him passes is a DB in the CFL now 

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8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Agree to disagree.  McKenzie is a playmaker and has a good shot to make this team.  Especially if DiMarco is cut

 

I was able to watch exactly 0 live games while stationed overseas, so I can't refute or agree with your statement....but if McKenzie's a playmaker then was he simply underutilized last year (179 yards)?  If we're just looking at receiving stats, then how does DiMarco's 62 yards receiving affect McKenzie making the team?  If they're looking for pass-catching running backs and production, then I think TJ Yeldon's 487 receiving yards actually puts them both at risk.

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9 hours ago, c-troop said:


However, it's obvious that they aren't satisfied with what we had last year, and bringing back DiMarco and McKenzie would be treadmilling the back end of our skill positions. 
 

 

I have seen nothing to indicate they are unhappy with DiMarco other than fan griping and speculation and the minute the brain trust starts listening to fan opinions is when they should be replaced.

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39 minutes ago, nikuman said:

 

I was able to watch exactly 0 live games while stationed overseas, so I can't refute or agree with your statement....but if McKenzie's a playmaker then was he simply underutilized last year (179 yards)?  If we're just looking at receiving stats, then how does DiMarco's 62 yards receiving affect McKenzie making the team?  If they're looking for pass-catching running backs and production, then I think TJ Yeldon's 487 receiving yards actually puts them both at risk.

Mckenzie was on the Denver practice squad 1/2 the season and wasn’t acquire by the Bills until nov 5th. It’s obvious to anyone, he has great burst and home run ability.  His problem (and it’s a big one) is fumbles.  

 

I’m not one that thinks each player is only on the team for one reason.  To fill one particular role. Some players, yes.  Everyone? Maybe, I just don’t think so.  If you put mckenzie out there with brown and Foster, you have 3 players that can take it the distance at any moment.  Not many teams have that kind of explosiveness. 

 

I just think mckenzie can help us win games....but he has to fix the fumblitis. Not sure if that possible, but I’m rooting for him

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11 hours ago, Roch-A-Bill said:

The word is David Sills can't beat press coverage - judging by the way Duke Williams famously ran over a DB in the CFL, doubt that's as much of a concern.

You get a head start in the CFL that you don’t in the NFL...

 

beating press coverage really doesn’t have much to do with strength or size... WRs who win off the LOS on press coverage do it with technique and a variety of releases 

 

NFL corners are way too good to just rely on strength 

 

Sills and Anthony Johnson both have below average releases rn which is definitely a huge part of their fall

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On 2/6/2019 at 2:48 PM, Logic said:

I was excited that the Bills signed Williams, and I have high hopes that he can find a way to make the roster and contribute. HOWEVER...

We need to temper our expectations a bit. All the jump-ball and high-point ability in the world won't do squat if he can't separate from defenders. For evidence of this phenomenon, go watch some James Hardy or Dez Lewis "highlights".

I think separation is a bit over used and misunderstood on this board. 

 

I’m sure we can all agree that Anquan Boldin was a very good NFL WR and yet he posted a 4.7 40 time. 

 

Point is a good route runner can get “separation”. 

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