Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I have had this thought for years. Is there any doubt now that this is the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Not ALL Belichick. Parcells showed a talent for turning floundering franchises around even in the absence of Belichick. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Parcels built the Jets from literally nothing to a lead in the AFC title game and the Giants were nothing when he showed up 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: Parcels built the Jets from literally nothing to a lead in the AFC title game and the Giants were nothing when he showed up And Belichick was there the entire time with Parcells for both. Parcells had one decent year at 10-6 as hc of NE without belichick the other two were losing seasons. The cowboys were pretty much his only nfl stop as a HC with out belichick and i wouldnt say he was very good there. Edited February 4, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Parcells won with far lesser QBs. However, SuperBowl XXV and LIII may be the finest coaching we have ever seen. I have always been on the side of Brady made Belichick. But after today I have even a bit more begrudged respect for Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Truth: Parcells never won a Super Bowl without Belichick Truth: Belichick never won a Super Bowl without Brady Speculation: good coaches need good assistants and good QBs to succeed. Parcells coaching tree includes SB winners Belichick and Payton. Not sure if either has spawned a SB winner. Sooooo....was Parcells all Belichick? No, he was not. Did he benefit greatly from the evil genius? Yes, parttiuclarly against us. And for the record, if you're gonna ask the question shouldn't you at least spell the mans name correctly? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: And Belichick was there the entire time with Parcells for both. Parcells had one decent year at 10-6 as hc of NE without belichick the other two were losing seasons. The cowboys were pretty much his only nfl stop as a HC with out belichick and i wouldnt say he was very good there. Keep pounding that tune that nobody cares about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Parcells was 58-68 without Belichick (0-3 in playoffs) so he'd pry be remembered as a good goach, but maybe not HOF bound without Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Nobody gets there alone. Way too much of this debate over dividing credit for success into percentages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, row_33 said: Keep pounding that tune that nobody cares about Facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Parcells won with far lesser QBs. However, SuperBowl XXV and LIII may be the finest coaching we have ever seen. I have always been on the side of Brady made Belichick. But after today I have even a bit more begrudged respect for Belichick. I thought the first three Superbowls was more of a combination of the brilliance of Belichick and Brady. Brady was more responsible for the Seahawks and Falcons, but Belichick was the main reason for this victory. They made the high powered Rams look like the Derrick Anderson led Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I have had this thought for years. Is there any doubt now that this is the case? I said so in another post a few weeks ago. Parcells doesn't win a sb without BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I thought the first three Superbowls was more of a combination of the brilliance of Belichick and Brady. Brady was more responsible for the Seahawks and Falcons, but Belichick was the main reason for this victory. They made the high powered Rams look like the Derrick Anderson led Bills. Yes the first Pats-Rams Superbowl is probably right behind the two I referenced. Remember when Madden kept saying I can't beleive they are going for the win instead of playing for OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: Yes the first Pats-Rams Superbowl is probably right behind the two I referenced. Remember when Madden kept saying I can't beleive they are going for the win instead of playing for OT. Of course. That's when the Tom Brady legend began. They may have seven rings right now if Belichick doesn't hold Butler out for whatever reason againt the Eagles last year. At least I don't have to hear about the first three-peat champions right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Of course. That's when the Tom Brady legend began. They may have seven rings right now if Belichick doesn't hold Butler out for whatever reason againt the Eagles last year. At least I don't have to hear about the first three-peat champions right now. And only 5, if Pete Carroll lets Lynch run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: And only 5, if Pete Carroll lets Lynch run the ball. LOL. Yeah. They had a lot of close games. If Welker doesn't drop the pass against the Giants and Tyree doesn't make the miracle helmet catch they could've easily won those two games Six seems about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I thought the first three Superbowls was more of a combination of the brilliance of Belichick and Brady. Brady was more responsible for the Seahawks and Falcons, but Belichick was the main reason for this victory. They made the high powered Rams look like the Derrick Anderson led Bills. To me the win over Seattle was due to the Seattle coaching staff getting too cute at the goalline instead of just handing off to Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: To me the win over Seattle was due to the Seattle coaching staff getting too cute at the goalline instead of just handing off to Lynch. I think everybody is in agreement there. Pats made the play though. They wouldn't have even been in that position of Brady doesn't put up 328 yards and 4 touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Sure. And give him the GOAT at QB, and Parcells would have won 6 too . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) Interesting statistics, in the six years Bill B coached prior to Brady playing him and Rich Kotite have almost the exact same record Edited February 4, 2019 by Another Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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