Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Yes , best all around TE Basically Mark Bavaro and Tony Gonzalez put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Iron Maiden said: I think he is...One thing the graphic in the op doesn't show is Gronk's ability to block...he is the probably the best blocking TE in NFL history..... also how does that compare to other TEs? I think the OP is hating and is trying to compare WR stats to TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Now that Gronk's career is seemingly coming to an end, there are some that seem to think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Here are his numbers: Year Team Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum Lost 2010 NE 16 11 42 546 13.0 28 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2011 NE 16 16 90 1,326 14.7 52T 17 1 2 2.0 2T 1 0 0 2012 NE 11 11 55 790 14.4 41 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2013 NE 7 6 39 592 15.2 50 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2014 NE 15 10 82 1,124 13.7 46T 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2015 NE 15 15 72 1,176 16.3 76T 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2016 NE 8 6 25 540 21.6 53 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 NE 14 14 69 1,084 15.7 53T 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0 2018 NE 13 13 47 682 14.5 42 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 Career 115 102 521 7,860 15.1 76 79 1 2 2.0 2 1 4 3 There is NO WAY numbers like that equal a first ballot Hall of Famer. NO WAY, especially in this TE pass-happy NFL. Yep no doubt. More debateable question - is he the best TE ever? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 9 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Now that Gronk's career is seemingly coming to an end, there are some that seem to think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Here are his numbers: Year Team Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum Lost 2010 NE 16 11 42 546 13.0 28 10 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2011 NE 16 16 90 1,326 14.7 52T 17 1 2 2.0 2T 1 0 0 2012 NE 11 11 55 790 14.4 41 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 2013 NE 7 6 39 592 15.2 50 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2014 NE 15 10 82 1,124 13.7 46T 12 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2015 NE 15 15 72 1,176 16.3 76T 11 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2016 NE 8 6 25 540 21.6 53 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 2017 NE 14 14 69 1,084 15.7 53T 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0 2018 NE 13 13 47 682 14.5 42 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 1 Career 115 102 521 7,860 15.1 76 79 1 2 2.0 2 1 4 3 There is NO WAY numbers like that equal a first ballot Hall of Famer. NO WAY, especially in this TE pass-happy NFL. You’re kidding, right? He is an an absolute lock to be a first ballot hall of game. Other than Brady, he might be the surest hall of famer currently playing. 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Gronk is the greatest TE ever. He would have been dominant in any era. And it’s not really close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, mannc said: You’re kidding, right? He is an an absolute lock to be a first ballot hall of game. Other than Brady, he might be the surest hall of famer currently playing. And it’s not really close. Gronk is a complete TE. Gonzalez was a Big WR. Sharpe was great but not dominant. The only thing that usually shut Gronk down was a gameplan that went a different route and injuries. Darn near unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Gronk is a complete TE. Gonzalez was a Big WR. Sharpe was great but not dominant. The only thing that usually shut Gronk down was a gameplan that went a different route and injuries. Darn near unstoppable. Gronk is easily the best non-QB on the most dominant dynasty in sports history. It hurts to type that, because he is a POS, but it’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 After tonight, Julian Edelman is approaching that mantle......and yes, Gronk is the best TE to ever do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Gronk is easily the best non-QB on the most dominant dynasty in sports history. It hurts to type that, because he is a POS, but it’s true. Yup. Gronk had 5 seasons of double digit TDs in a 9 year career including one with 17. Gonzalez had 3 in a 17 year career. Sharpe 2 in 14. Im glad we dont have to have him go against us for 14 years let alone 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Yup. Gronk had 5 seasons of double digit TDs in a 9 year career including one with 17. Gonzalez had 3 in a 17 year career. Sharpe 2 in 14. Im glad we dont have to have him go against us for 14 years let alone 17. If you really want to throw up, just look at Gronk’s playoff stats. Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 If I'm voting, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Just now, mannc said: If you really want to throw up, just look at Gronk’s playoff stats. Sickening. This is a depressing night. I said the Rams D would dominate NE. True Isaid the patriots would only score 3 in the first half. True I said Brady would fumble. True The Rams didnt win, Brady didnt through that second pick, and Gurley couldnt win the MVP sitting on the bench for the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, The Senator said: Who’s mental deficiency caused us to draft Torell Troup 1 pick before Gronk? Was it Brandon or Nix? Troup was out of football two years later. i wanted Gronk to be a Bill so bad. A polish kid, from Buffalo and Notre Dame? He’d have been loved here. That said, of course he’s an automatic for the HOF. . He was often on the nightly sportscasts in Buffalo as a local phenom in high school and college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 He is. Even though he's a total steak head db... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Gronk giving a great interview on NFL network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 11 hours ago, aristocrat said: If terell Davis is with the short career so is gronk Excellent point, I was leaning towards no until I read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, The Senator said: Who’s mental deficiency caused us to draft Torell Troup 1 pick before Gronk? Was it Brandon or Nix? Troup was out of football two years later. i wanted Gronk to be a Bill so bad. A polish kid, from Buffalo and Notre Dame? He’d have been loved here. That said, of course he’s an automatic for the HOF. . Arizona, not Notre Dame. I believe Marv was the GM when he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) Who is committed to throw up cash that he is 1st ballot HOF'er? I'll play all day that he is not. Let's go 5K like that one weirdo that bet a game against the Bills n lost with the stupid spread, LMFAO Edited February 4, 2019 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Gronk should and will get into the HOF, but I don't think he should be a first ballot hall of famer. Some people questioned whether even Tony Gonzales should be a first ballot guy or not, and compare his stats to Gronk's: Tony Gronk Years 17 9 RECs 1,325 521 YDs 15, 127 7,860 TDs 111 79 They each had four seasons with more than 1,000 yards. But Tony had 13 seasons with 850+ yards, while Gronk had just those same 4. Tony had 14, what I would call, elite seasons. Gronk had 5. Now, of course, Tony did indeed get in on his first ballot, but first ballot should be reserved for sustained numbers like his. Plus Gronk didn't innovate the TE position in any way. That had already happened with guys like Gonzales and Gates. So, as great as Gronk has been when healthy, he should be a vote or two behind guys like Tony. First ballot is for the best of all time type of guys. I don't think Gronk quite reaches that status due to his overall numbers and injury issues. Definitely a HOFer, just not first ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, folz said: Gronk should and will get into the HOF, but I don't think he should be a first ballot hall of famer. Some people questioned whether even Tony Gonzales should be a first ballot guy or not, and compare his stats to Gronk's: Tony Gronk Years 17 9 RECs 1,325 521 YDs 15, 127 7,860 TDs 111 79 They each had four seasons with more than 1,000 yards. But Tony had 13 seasons with 850+ yards, while Gronk had just those same 4. Tony had 14, what I would call, elite seasons. Gronk had 5. Now, of course, Tony did indeed get in on his first ballot, but first ballot should be reserved for sustained numbers like his. Plus Gronk didn't innovate the TE position in any way. That had already happened with guys like Gonzales and Gates. So, as great as Gronk has been when healthy, he should be a vote or two behind guys like Tony. First ballot is for the best of all time type of guys. I don't think Gronk quite reaches that status due to his overall numbers and injury issues. Definitely a HOFer, just not first ballot. But those TD's for Gronk... that's impressive. And the championships. Edited February 4, 2019 by klos63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, klos63 said: But those TD's for Gronk... that's impressive. And the championships. Yes, the TD numbers are impressive for Gronk, no doubt (he had 17 in one season), and championships always help...but I think championships are such a team-based thing for non-QBs. But, just to give a little more perspective: Tony Gonzales is 2nd all time in NFL history for receptions (for all receivers, not just TEs), only one spot behind Jerry Rice. Gronk is tied for 130th in receptions. Tony G is 6th all time in receiving yards (again, all receivers), while Gronk is 104th. First ballot should be for guys with all-time numbers. Edited February 4, 2019 by folz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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