GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: Oh. I'd agree if it was the Rookie QB of the Year. But it's not. And Barkley was - let's just say - among the best RBs in the NFL. Which other rookie was among the best in the league at his position? Quenton Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Quenton Nelson. Don't you think enough offensive linemen have won ROY awards over the years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Don't you think enough offensive linemen have won ROY awards over the years? Don't be a slave to trends. Be your own man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Josh Allen was the most impressive rookie I saw this year. These awards are almost entirely stat based, and for that reason I think Saquon will win. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Wow, really? Even if he only plays 10 years, he would be top 25 all time in yards and top 20 in passing TDs. Who would be disappointed by that? That's pretty average these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Baker Mayfield immediately becomes Coca-Cola’s next spokesman Better move for Mayfield anyways, since Coke > Pepsi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 After Barkley there would be others before Lindsay, I dont get why someone is getting all wet over 0.4YPC. Its one metric/stat. The offensively line could easily account for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: That's pretty average these days. Being in the top 20-25 is pretty average? Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Troll Toll said: Josh Allen was the most impressive rookie I saw this year. These awards are almost entirely stat based, and for that reason I think Saquon will win. How many games did you watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 ....those are Thurmal like APY.....good show rook...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Being in the top 20-25 is pretty average? Ok Yep. QB's are producing more and more. And besides, half the QB's in the league are putting up big stats now too, so Mayfield would not be top 25 all time by the time he retires. His rookie season production was not enough for sustained success, or enough for them to get to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Yep. QB's are producing more and more. And besides, half the QB's in the league are putting up big stats now too, so Mayfield would not be top 25 all time by the time he retires. His rookie season production was not enough for sustained success, or enough for them to get to the playoffs. I get your point, but I think you're underselling his statistics a bit. He played 13.5 games so he probably would have had about 4300 yards and 32 TD's over a full season. There are vets like Ryan, Stafford etc. who will be in the top 25 due to the era they play in. You also have young players like Goff and Mahomes who will shatter a lot of records if they sustain their pace. That said, Mayfield's rookie stats would hold up pretty well over the course of 10+ years. You would certainly expect improvement, and since this is about 2018, I'd give the nod to Barkley. He was the second best RB and Baker was not even close to the 2nd best QB. Still go with Barkley even if you give the benefit of the doubt to the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Dumb question. Is there a defensive ROY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said: Dumb question. Is there a defensive ROY? Yes - so Pepsi sponsors the overall ROY award which encompasses both Offense and Defense. The Associated Press votes on a separate OROY and DROY. They will be awarded Sat. Night at the NFL Honors Ceremony Edited February 1, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: I get your point, but I think you're underselling his statistics a bit. He played 13.5 games so he probably would have had about 4300 yards and 32 TD's over a full season. There are vets like Ryan, Stafford etc. who will be in the top 25 due to the era they play in. You also have young players like Goff and Mahomes who will shatter a lot of records if they sustain their pace. That said, Mayfield's rookie stats would hold up pretty well over the course of 10+ years. You would certainly expect improvement, and since this is about 2018, I'd give the nod to Barkley. He was the second best RB and Baker was not even close to the 2nd best QB. Still go with Barkley even if you give the benefit of the doubt to the QB. I'm not interested in projecting his stats for the games he didn't play. If he played those games it would have been in the beginning of the season and likely would have been his worst games. Perhaps those games would have hurt his overall stats instead of helping them. Never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes - so Pepsi sponsors the overall ROY award which encompasses both Offense and Defense. The Associated Press votes on a separate OROY and DROY. They will be awarded Sat. Night at the NFL Honors Ceremony Thank you! Best wishes to your #99 as well as my #55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 12 hours ago, MJS said: Yep. QB's are producing more and more. And besides, half the QB's in the league are putting up big stats now too, so Mayfield would not be top 25 all time by the time he retires. His rookie season production was not enough for sustained success, or enough for them to get to the playoffs. The top 25 includes the current QBs.... Wow a rookie QB on a team with a single win in the past 2 seasons before he got there couldn’t, despite a record tying 27 TDS (in 12 starts) “get them to the playoffs”?? Hot take tight there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I think both Mayfield and Barkley are the future faces of the NFL, along with a couple others of course. You could make a viable case for either or. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: I think both Mayfield and Barkley are the future faces of the NFL, along with a couple others of course. You could make a viable case for either or. Josh Allen>Bakermania. Cant change my mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Josh Allen>Bakermania. Cant change my mind Hopefully he is one of the other faces along with guys like Mahomes, Goff, and Gurley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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