NoSaint Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....oops...forgot about that dopey politician in Louisiana chiming in......imagine the precedent it would set if the NFL EVERY agreed to replay the game?........where would you draw the line?......ANY game with highly questionable calls would follow with replay demands....no need for rules change...it was a blatantly missed PI AND helmet to helmet..... I am, at least academically, interested in what special circumstances would require utilizing the rule given that it’s on the books that a game can be restarted at the point of a call. Like does cash have to exchange hands publicly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: What rule needs to be changed? The problem was that they didnt make a call on an existing rule. Changing the rule wont help anything if they arent going to call the ones in place already. As for the refs, no one would have even looked up where they were from if it wasnt for the one play. And if it wasnt for the one play no one would be complaining about their reffing of the game as it wasnt any different then a typical NFL game. People are pushing for PI to be reviewable. Again, I'm not advocating for it, but that's what they want. It's unfortunate that the play happened, but that doesn't mean the staffing wasn't idiotic. Making a mistake that doesn't get caught doesn't really excuse the mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I am, at least academically, interested in what special circumstances would require utilizing the rule given that it’s on the books that a game can be restarted at the point of a call. Like does cash have to exchange hands publicly? .....freshly minted small bills without consecutive serial numbers should do it, right?............ Edited January 27, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) The concern in LA, days before the NFCC game was that Bill Vinovich and his crew were 0-8 against the Rams. He was also the only ref to eject Aaron Donald. Just fire the 2 officials that butchered the call. I don't care where they were from, they should not be allowed to officiate again in the NFL. You blow a call that blatantly, you're done. Edited January 27, 2019 by LABILLBACKER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 We need full time officials, it's as easy as that. The crew that misses the least amount of call throughout the season should get to work thru the playoffs and super bowl and they should get paid very well for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Brady has California ties too. Maybe he is going to throw the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: We need full time officials, it's as easy as that. The crew that misses the least amount of call throughout the season should get to work thru the playoffs and super bowl and they should get paid very well for it. ....we already have some.....I think officials should have to go through OTA's and TC for officials........remedial review of existing rules.........study of newly enacted rules........comprehensive review of the most blatant blown calls from prior season to mitigate the same mistakes in the new year, etc.......why not?....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said: What rule needs to be changed? The problem was that they didnt make a call on an existing rule. Changing the rule wont help anything if they arent going to call the ones in place already. As for the refs, no one would have even looked up where they were from if it wasnt for the one play. And if it wasnt for the one play no one would be complaining about their reffing of the game as it wasnt any different then a typical NFL game. The NFL exists because fans are passionate about the sport, and part of that comes because of the perception that obvious and blatant penalties will be called as such. You're correct in that at the end of the first half in the first game that play draws the ire of local fans and not much more. However, passion can work against the NFL when the appearance is that the game was tilted by the officials. We can agree that if the saints had scored 42 points prior to that play, the hit was largely irrelevant. On the other hand, the NFL wants that type of game (minus the blatant penalty missed or let go for whatever reason), they should be prepared to deal with the consequences when it quite possibly results in the wrong team in the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: I am, at least academically, interested in what special circumstances would require utilizing the rule given that it’s on the books that a game can be restarted at the point of a call. Like does cash have to exchange hands publicly? once the next snap has commenced, the previous play is over. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: I am, at least academically, interested in what special circumstances would require utilizing the rule given that it’s on the books that a game can be restarted at the point of a call. Like does cash have to exchange hands publicly? WRT to the blown call in question, If a paper/electronic trail of the refs being paid off cropped up the next day, I think that would qualify. But I think it's more of a catch-all rule to cover something completely unforeseen/unpredictable. Fans interfering with the game and influencing the outcome (poisoning the Gatorade at half time?). I definitely don't think it was intended for a blown call by the refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Mafia Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Foxx said: is this about the NFC Champoinship game or the Superbowl? NFC Championship game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, NoSaint said: . . . in case they made a bad call favoring the rams. But that would never happen, right? Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: We need full time officials, it's as easy as that. The crew that misses the least amount of call throughout the season should get to work thru the playoffs and super bowl and they should get paid very well for it. How would full time officials made a difference in the NFC title game? The ref that missed that call missed it because he missed it. It had nothing to do with anything else. It was a horrible miss for sure. NFL refs, IMO, do a pretty good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Someone should be watching every game in NYC and tell them to throw the flag in stead of standing aroundwith their thumb up the as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 hours ago, NoSaint said: It appears pretty clearly about last week. It was essentially an LA based crew with a former Ram/Falcon on it. Even if you aren’t one to think it biased, it shocks me that the nfl would be so obtuse as to allow these optics to exist in case they made a bad call favoring the rams. Sometimes it’s not enough to try to get it right, but it also has to LOOK right. Don’t open that door and you won’t have to answer the outrage if it somehow gets squirrelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I think that it sucks the way the Saints lost because of a failure to call anyone one of three penalties on the play (targeting a defenseless receiver, Helmet to helmet or PI), but I think it makes the league looks worse that Goodell hasn't spoken on the issue. Some may think he doesn't need to, however as the head of the NFL, he should make some sort of comment, his silence is deafening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 People need to give this a rest. 1 minute ago, MarkAF43 said: I think that it sucks the way the Saints lost because of a failure to call anyone one of three penalties on the play (targeting a defenseless receiver, Helmet to helmet or PI), but I think it makes the league looks worse that Goodell hasn't spoken on the issue. Some may think he doesn't need to, however as the head of the NFL, he should make some sort of comment, his silence is deafening. Doesnt make the league look worse... a commissioner never talks about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....we already have some.....I think officials should have to go through OTA's and TC for officials........remedial review of existing rules.........study of newly enacted rules........comprehensive review of the most blatant blown calls from prior season to mitigate the same mistakes in the new year, etc.......why not?....... They need an outside separate organization to grade their performance and head off obvious interest conflicts. Like hiring a former Kraft lawyer that someone mentioned, or ensuring some reasonable level of impartiality for games. Censure or dismissal of poorly performing refs, and those who are into verbally abusing players. They do have full time officials now, but as an organization they are rife with nepotism, and still think they can grade their own performance internally. I don't think it is an easy job, but it would not take much to insert more credibility into that part of the game, just some steps like the above. Edited January 27, 2019 by WideNine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, Augie said: Sometimes it’s not enough to try to get it right, but it also has to LOOK right. Don’t open that door and you won’t have to answer the outrage if it somehow gets squirrelly. It feels like common sense to both protect your product but also your people. It doesn’t feel fair to the ref to have to worry about a blown call being questioned in that way. I dont think its it’s anything more nefarious than “we aren’t throwing a flag that decides the game” but it’s easy to create questions because they didn’t flip the assignments for the two units 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, WideNine said: They need an outside separate organization to grade their performance and head off obvious interest conflicts. Like hiring a former Kraft lawyer that someone mentioned, or ensuring some reasonable level of impartiality for games. Censure or dismissal of poorly performing refs, and those who are into verbally abusing players. They do have full time officials now, but as an organization they are rife with nepotism, and still think they can grade their own performance internally. I don't think it is an easy job, but it would not take much to insert more credibility into that part of the game, just some steps like the above. This. Have you ever heard the officials like Periera during games? He tends to go out of his way to give every call the benefit of the doubt. An internal organization would do the same. External subjective review would be the obvious solution, but I doubt the NFL will outsource a single thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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