Dr. K Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I remember thinking at various times during the season that the Bills were not scoring any defensive touchdowns--no recovered fumbles for TD, no pick-sixes. But I did not make anything much of that at the time. Looking at their team stats, I see they scored none—zero, zilch, nada—the entire season. I can't remember that ever happening before in my more than fifty years of watching this team. It's just a statistical anomaly I'm sure, but it makes me think that this is another reason that, next season, when that's unlikely to happen again, they will be a better team. Likewise they scored zero kick return TDs, which is less of a surprise given their generally poor special teams play. I expect them to do better in this area as well, just as a matter of luck if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I don't think it's a huge difference from 2017. From what I recall they had 2 defensive TDs and zero ST TDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dr. K said: I remember thinking at various times during the season that the Bills were not scoring any defensive touchdowns--no recovered fumbles for TD, no pick-sixes. But I did not make anything much of that at the time. Looking at their team stats, I see they scored none—zero, zilch, nada—the entire season. I can't remember that ever happening before in my more than fifty years of watching this team. It's just a statistical anomaly I'm sure, but it makes me think that this is another reason that, next season, when that's unlikely to happen again, they will be a better team. Likewise they scored zero kick return TDs, which is less of a surprise given their generally poor special teams play. I expect them to do better in this area as well, just as a matter of luck if nothing else. Odds are you see 1-2 defensive scores next year. Probably not a kick return, but it’s possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 26th in sacks doesn't help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Trust the Process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 They used them all up in practice when Peterman was here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 36 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I don't think it's a huge difference from 2017. From what I recall they had 2 defensive TDs and zero ST TDs One of those plays can turn a game. The difference between 2 and 0 is not insignificant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dr. K said: One of those plays can turn a game. The difference between 2 and 0 is not insignificant. Oh I agree. I just meant that we weren't talking about a big shift from a team that was 2018 Bears-like in their ability to score on defense to a team that doesn't score on D. Some great Ds aren't the scoring type. The Seattle teams weren't known for scoring on D, but they routinely finished near the top of the league in PPG allowed, sacks, and turnovers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Most games were early into garbagetime, or the Pats twice laughed without taking risks against the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: They used them all up in practice when Peterman was here. But that’s just the crazy part—NP was an All-Pro in practices and preseason, pretty much always. How he kept getting starting chances for the real games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Wonder How many other teams had no def/st tds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, TPS said: Wonder How many other teams had no def/st tds? http://games.espn.com/ffl/leaders?slotCategoryId=16&sortMap=AAAAARgAAAAIAQALc3BsaXRUeXBlSWQDAAAAAAEAC3N0YXRRdWVyeUlkAwAAAAEBABBzdGF0U291cmNlVHlwZUlkAwAAAAABAAtzb3J0QXZlcmFnZQkAAQAMc3RhdFNlYXNvbklkAwAAB%2BIBAAZjb2x1bW4DAAAAaQEACGNhdGVnb3J5AwAAAAEBAAlkaXJlY3Rpb24D%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Fw%3D%3D Only 4 teams didnt have a defensive/st score. Bills Browns Colts Eagles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) The weird thing is that the Bills were second in the league in forced fumbles with 24 and tied for seventh in interceptions with 16. It's actually pretty remarkable that they never scored on any of these plays. You'd almost have to TRY not to score in order to go 0 for 40. That's why i say it's a statistical anomaly. By the way, stats say the Bills recovered one fumble for a TD, but that was by Jason Croom when Zay Jones fumbled at the goal line on an offensive play. Not a defensive recovery for TD. Edited January 27, 2019 by Dr. K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dr. K said: I remember thinking at various times during the season that the Bills were not scoring any defensive touchdowns--no recovered fumbles for TD, no pick-sixes. But I did not make anything much of that at the time. Looking at their team stats, I see they scored none—zero, zilch, nada—the entire season. I can't remember that ever happening before in my more than fifty years of watching this team. It's just a statistical anomaly I'm sure, but it makes me think that this is another reason that, next season, when that's unlikely to happen again, they will be a better team. Likewise they scored zero kick return TDs, which is less of a surprise given their generally poor special teams play. I expect them to do better in this area as well, just as a matter of luck if nothing else. How does this compare to the rest of the league? Are the Bills all alone in this category, or are there other teams in the same boat? 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: http://games.espn.com/ffl/leaders?slotCategoryId=16&sortMap=AAAAARgAAAAIAQALc3BsaXRUeXBlSWQDAAAAAAEAC3N0YXRRdWVyeUlkAwAAAAEBABBzdGF0U291cmNlVHlwZUlkAwAAAAABAAtzb3J0QXZlcmFnZQkAAQAMc3RhdFNlYXNvbklkAwAAB%2BIBAAZjb2x1bW4DAAAAaQEACGNhdGVnb3J5AwAAAAEBAAlkaXJlY3Rpb24D%2F%2F%2F%2F%2Fw%3D%3D Only 4 teams didnt have a defensive/st score. Bills Browns Colts Eagles Answers my question. Two of those were playoff teams. My guess is that it doesn't matter a ton. Nice to have scoring defenses and special teams, but that doesn't move the needle all that much unless they are really going crazy and scoring a bunch. The defenses job is to stop the opposing offense from scoring. I they are good at that they'll be a good defense. Edited January 27, 2019 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Turnovers are essential for true defensive domination and the least predictable, which make defenses like sexy girlfriends:fun, great to look at, but somewhat unpredictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: 26th in sacks doesn't help. A bit misleading as was pointed out how few pass attempts they faced. As a percent of pass play they actually ranked quite high in pressures/sacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: 26th in sacks doesn't help. 26th in sacks is the corollary. While ST/D TD's are pretty random, the best way to get em is to whip opposing QB's. Gotta add some personnel in this dept. 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: A bit misleading as was pointed out how few pass attempts they faced. As a percent of pass play they actually ranked quite high in pressures/sacks. Fair point. Still want to add a pass rusher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 It's a huge deal when your team cant score in offence to have a defence who isn't putting up points too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 You should never count on DSTs tds. They are fairly fluky and not consistent season to season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 This is why we need a monster pass rusher. I think our secondary can make plays, but when opposing QBs can set up lawn chairs, sip iced tea and read a book until someone comes open...it ain't gonna matter who's in coverage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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