Foxx Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 this is a Williams team (even if there are none, atm) there is only room for one McCoy. you choose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They do similar things on the field imo. McCoy will draw doubles at about the same rate Lotulelei does.They're both good against the run. He doesn't get upfield all that well, and I'm not sure how often he's asked to do that. I'd say Lotulelei has a quicker first step but McCoy is stronger...imo Lotulelei is more technically capable and McCoy will tend to rely on overwhelming his guy with his strength. Sure he gets more sacks, but they're definitely not opposites in how they're utilized. McCoy's ability to get off the ball might be his biggest strength. McCoy is the pass-rushing specialist who happens to also be decent against the run but they play completely different roles. Star is only on the field to try to free up space for others to make plays. McCoy is the one that Tampa relies on to make the plays. Edit: This article was literally from just before this season in which they proclaimed that McCoy has the quickest first step among defensive linemen in the NFL lol. I don't know how you could possibly think that Star has a quicker first step. Are you thinking of a different Bucs player? I'm genuinely confused. https://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/2018/08/31/bucs-gerald-mccoy-youre-going-to-miss-me-when-im-gone/ Edited January 16, 2019 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Sounds great in theory, but you’ve got to know by now that McDermott rotates his defensive linemen. We don’t like that Star is getting paid ~$10M a year to play about 50% of the snaps, but we want to bring in McCoy for the same price to play roughly the same amount of snaps? I don’t see McBeane putting $20M+ a year into two players at a position that we rotate about 4 players through. That’s bad cap management and if Beane has shown anything, I think he’s shown his ability to manage cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'd say yes if we weren't already on the hooks with Star Lotulelei & Trent Murphy. Those are 2 examples of pricing yourself out of an impact player by overpaying under achievers. And yes I get the whole argument of Star occupies 2 blockers & yadayadayada. But how can you have a dline where it eats up 17% of your cap & where 1 of those guys will hardly be on the field due to historically being injured? I'd love to have him here & would instantly replace Star with McCoy, but with the total cost & with all the other areas we need to improve, I think we simply need to build thru the draft in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: This is getting really old... Someone ONCE a LONG time ago was funny. Now, just played out The Carolina connection has been a little odd, if not slightly humorous. Lighten up a little.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Gerald McCoy had his best seasons playing the 3 tech in Leslie Frazier's 4-3 defense. Just saying. According to PFR, his best season was 2013 under Bill Sheridan (Schiano was coach). It was the only time he made all-pro and he had his highest AV that season. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoGe99.htm I am in no way blaming McCoy for the entire Tampa D performance, but it is the case that his been really terrible during his career there: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 GIT 'R' DUNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I wouldn't hate it, you could sign McCoy and still have plenty of money to spend on offense while drafting an edge rusher or another player at pick 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: McCoy's ability to get off the ball might be his biggest strength. McCoy is the pass-rushing specialist who happens to also be decent against the run but they play completely different roles. Star is only on the field to try to free up space for others to make plays. McCoy is the one that Tampa relies on to make the plays. Well maybe I didn't watch enough Tampa Bay, but I didn't see much out of McCoy when I did come across one of their games. That rookie Vea looked like the interior talent to me, McCoy wasn't anything special...maybe he was carrying an injury or something. I saw them play the Giants I think and he looked ordinary. Not all that quick, still obviously powerful but not really a playmaker. I stand by my Lotulelei comparison, other than McCoy being on the field for more passing downs re: sacks I think they're basically the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 From what I have read about the Buc's, Gerald McCoy is their Lorenzo Alexander. If that's true and he still has some gas in the tank, then I'm for putting him on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsClinton Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm all for it, but can we get him the ball in space? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: And we've got it to spend. Seems like a good fit. But I'm not sure it is a wise investment. If we are going to spend big bucks on a defensive player I would rather it be an OLB, or perhaps an edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, MJS said: But I'm not sure it is a wise investment. If we are going to spend big bucks on a defensive player I would rather it be an OLB, or perhaps an edge rusher. I’m all for this, but the question is who is the free agent edge rusher that they get to come here? I wouldn’t be too against the idea of trading for McCoy’s contract - as has been stated you can cut him at any time for no guaranteed money... Star can be moved on for minimal money at the end of 2020 so that won’t impact on them resigning Tre and Milano... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I can see them making a play - either via trade or a FA signing if cut. I think a signing like this would impact the draft and the thoughts leading up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 If McCoy’s release didn’t happen........... the thread title is a is a little misleading. But it’s just Symantec’s. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’m all for this, but the question is who is the free agent edge rusher that they get to come here? I wouldn’t be too against the idea of trading for McCoy’s contract - as has been stated you can cut him at any time for no guaranteed money... Star can be moved on for minimal money at the end of 2020 so that won’t impact on them resigning Tre and Milano... Ezekiel Ansah perhaps at edge rusher. I would love to have Anthony Barr at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Ezekiel Ansah perhaps at edge rusher. I would love to have Anthony Barr at LB. Agree Ansah could be a possibility... I don't think Barr would be value for money... The Bills play a lot of nickel with Taron Johnson on the field and only go with 2 LB's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I have McCoy powered up as a 96 overall DT on my Madden Ultimate Team so I'm wit it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Agree Ansah could be a possibility... I don't think Barr would be value for money... The Bills play a lot of nickel with Taron Johnson on the field and only go with 2 LB's.. Yeah, but not all the time. Plus if you have a guy like Barr you can stay in base defense more often if you want. Plus, I think he can rush the passer (I think), so maybe you have him as a pass rusher on 3rd down sometimes. I feel like LB hurt us this year, especially after injuries. Edited January 16, 2019 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Yeah, but not all the time. Plus if you have a guy like Barr you can stay in base defense more often if you want. Plus, I think he can rush the passer (maybe?), so maybe you have him as a pass rusher on 3rd down sometimes. I feel like LB hurt us this year, especially after injuries. Barr will get overpaid. I hope it is not by us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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