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What Would Josh Allen Skeptics Need To See In Order To Buy In?


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3 minutes ago, APoxOnYou said:

Interested to hear what he would need to do.

 

Well, I'm on the record that overall, for a QB to be a guy a franchise can win with consistently, he has to complete >59% of his passes, have a TD/INT ratio of 1.5, throw for 6.5 YPA, and generally be able to pass for more than ~215-220 ypg.

 

So that's what  I need to see Allen deliver on a regular basis.  Note: not saying he sucks now or has to do all that next year, but that's what he needs to deliver.

 

For the eyeball test part, he needs to read the field better and use his athleticism to help him pass, rather than to run so much.

 



 

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For me his completion percentage be up around mid 60's. He needs to be more of a pocket passer with a lot less rushing yards. If he has a season close to what Mayfield had in his second half would be what he needs to have to convince me. 

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For most skeptics, a Lombardi or two might do the trick.

 

I guess I wouldn't say I'm skeptical about Josh. He looked pretty sharp for a rookie, he seems to have a good attitude, and he's coachable. That makes me optimistic. But I've been burned before, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

 

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5 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

For most skeptics, a Lombardi or two might do the trick.

 

I guess I wouldn't say I'm skeptical about Josh. He looked pretty sharp for a rookie, he seems to have a good attitude, and he's coachable. That makes me optimistic. But I've been burned before, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

 

I disagree.  it doesn't take a SB victory for skeptics to believe a QB is a franchise guy.  it takes consistency and/or improvement each year.  I think for most skeptics, it takes being in the running for MVP or even just being the guy who can keep your team competitive every year.  There are plenty of QBs that skeptics are bought into that haven't won or even been to a SB.  Luck, Stafford, Alex Smith, Dalton, and Rivers to name a few.

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The play he made in the finale where he was scrambling but threw a perfect touch pass to his checkdown that allowed Ivory to keep running is something I'd like to see more frequently.

 

I think he's going to have to improve on his ball placement on short routes to be a franchise QB. I've seen him throw deep outs accurately. I've seen him throw accurate enough deep balls. Needs to get better at short crosses, outlets. There are times he doesn't get the ball to the outlet quickly enough so recognition also needs to improve.

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1 hour ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

I disagree.  it doesn't take a SB victory for skeptics to believe a QB is a franchise guy.  it takes consistency and/or improvement each year.  I think for most skeptics, it takes being in the running for MVP or even just being the guy who can keep your team competitive every year.  There are plenty of QBs that skeptics are bought into that haven't won or even been to a SB.  Luck, Stafford, Alex Smith, Dalton, and Rivers to name a few.

 

I was half-joking about that part. But you have to admit, a couple of Super Bowl wins would convince the skeptics. (So would all the stuff you wrote.)

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

For me his completion percentage be up around mid 60's. He needs to be more of a pocket passer with a lot less rushing yards. If he has a season close to what Mayfield had in his second half would be what he needs to have to convince me. 

Mid 60’s?

 

Next year I’ll be happy if it’s high 50’s.

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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

The play he made in the finale where he was scrambling but threw a perfect touch pass to his checkdown that allowed Ivory to keep running is something I'd like to see more frequently.

 

I think he's going to have to improve on his ball placement on short routes to be a franchise QB. I've seen him throw deep outs accurately. I've seen him throw accurate enough deep balls. Needs to get better at short crosses, outlets. There are times he doesn't get the ball to the outlet quickly enough so recognition also needs to improve.

 

I wonder if that scramble dump off to Ivory was coincidence or a designed breakdown play.

 

i ask because when watching highlights of Allen in 2018.  Allen/Ivory pulled off near identical play against Vikings.

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