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Vance Jospeh named DC in Arizona...how???

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In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him?

 

His defense sucked in Miami and then somehow he turns that into a promotion to a HC in Denver...his team sucked in Denver both years he was there and the defense got worse, and now he is rewarded again by getting another DC job??

 

When do results start mattering for him??

 

 

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I don't know. They apparently like him a lot more than you do.

 

Teams make dumb mistakes all the time. Fans have misinformed opinions all the time. Let's revisit which is the case in a year.

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3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him?

 

His defense sucked in Miami and then somehow he turns that into a promotion to a HC in Denver...his team sucked in Denver both years he was there and the defense got worse, and now he is rewarded again by getting another DC job??

 

When do results start mattering for him??

 

 

 

It's not whether you win or lose----it's how you played the game.

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I was also perplexed when he was given the Broncos job after only what, like one or two years as Miami's DC, and their defense wasn't anything to write home about. But around that time I do recall reading that he's well respected as a leader and as someone who has a natural ability to connect with his players. I'd assume that's what keeps getting him good jobs in the league.

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9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

The league is full of retread coaches. 

 

 

Well at least the Rooney rule worked so we can now have black retread coaches as well as white ones!

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That defensive coaching staff is brutal. Bill Davis?? Just got canned from osu, worst LB coaching I’ve ever seen. 

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was hoping hed go to new jersey 

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28 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him? 

He fills out employment forms completely and neatly?  Maybe his sending over a case of Hickory Farms cheese logs post interview was the clincher?

 

It must have you upset.  You can’t spell ‘Joseph’!

 

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33 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him?

 

His defense sucked in Miami and then somehow he turns that into a promotion to a HC in Denver...his team sucked in Denver both years he was there and the defense got worse, and now he is rewarded again by getting another DC job??

 

When do results start mattering for him??

 

 

A lot of people thought he did an excellent job in Miami given the extremely low level of defensive talent while he was there. The consensus view was that he did it with smoke and mirrors given how bad the defensive roster was. It was much discussed at the time of his hiring by Denver. 

25 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

I was also perplexed when he was given the Broncos job after only what, like one or two years as Miami's DC, and their defense wasn't anything to write home about. But around that time I do recall reading that he's well respected as a leader and as someone who has a natural ability to connect with his players. I'd assume that's what keeps getting him good jobs in the league.

People focus too much on numbers/rankings without considering the talent a coach has to work with. I'm not saying Joseph is the second coming, but it is a fact that Miami's defensive talent was horrific in 2016, and they went to the playoffs. 

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37 minutes ago, WMDman said:

was hoping hed go to new jersey 

Yeah me too.  Sigh.  Now we’re gonna have to deal with dirty Gregg putting bounties on JA

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1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him?

 

His defense sucked in Miami and then somehow he turns that into a promotion to a HC in Denver...his team sucked in Denver both years he was there and the defense got worse, and now he is rewarded again by getting another DC job??

 

When do results start mattering for him??

 

 

Same time results matter for Daboll? Just sayin.....

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1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

Well at least the Rooney rule worked so we can now have black retread coaches as well as white ones!

 

You beat me to it 😉

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1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him?

 

His defense sucked in Miami and then somehow he turns that into a promotion to a HC in Denver...his team sucked in Denver both years he was there and the defense got worse, and now he is rewarded again by getting another DC job??

 

When do results start mattering for him??

 

 

 

All teams have an answer for when the results are not great.

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1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him?

 

His defense sucked in Miami and then somehow he turns that into a promotion to a HC in Denver...his team sucked in Denver both years he was there and the defense got worse, and now he is rewarded again by getting another DC job??

 

When do results start mattering for him??

 

 

 

Some Bronco fans I know say he’s got some F’ed off field skeletons in his closet too.  I can’t remember exactly what it was, but I think it may have involved domestic violence.  Anyone know of any off field things with him?  My friend just kept complaining that not only was he a terrible HC, but was a POS off the field and couldn’t believe he was still their HC.

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1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

The league is full of retread coaches. 

 

 

...well OBD "re-tired" Marv, right?.......pretty sure they were recaps though............

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Remember when Rex Ryan sucked and then we hired him immediately following his firing?  And remember when we then fired him before he completed his second season?  Good times.  

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2 minutes ago, Bill Murray said:

Remember when Rex Ryan sucked and then we hired him immediately following his firing?  And remember when we then fired him before he completed his second season?  Good times.  

 

...and with all of the current openings, his phone NEVER rang ONCE...even BETTER times.........

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1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

In a league where results matter more than anything else, how does it not seem to matter with him?

 

His defense sucked in Miami and then somehow he turns that into a promotion to a HC in Denver...his team sucked in Denver both years he was there and the defense got worse, and now he is rewarded again by getting another DC job??

 

When do results start mattering for him??

 

 

They are new Browns, haven’t you heard?

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I mean they also just hired a head coach without a ton experience who just got fired from his college job. His teams sucked even though he had Baker a Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes. Joseph is a Mike Nolan-Wade Phillips guy so he does have experience as a 3-4 guy so it does make some sense. Joseph is not a head coach, but as a DC hire I don't think it's so bad. 

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13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Some Bronco fans I know say he’s got some F’ed off field skeletons in his closet too.  I can’t remember exactly what it was, but I think it may have involved domestic violence.  Anyone know of any off field things with him?  My friend just kept complaining that not only was he a terrible HC, but was a POS off the field and couldn’t believe he was still their HC.

Nebulous sexual assault allegations in 2003 as an assistant at CU. No charges were filed and many people claim the allegations were frivolous. Who knows?

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3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

A lot of people thought he did an excellent job in Miami given the extremely low level of defensive talent while he was there. The consensus view was that he did it with smoke and mirrors given how bad the defensive roster was. It was much discussed at the time of his hiring by Denver. 

People focus too much on numbers/rankings without considering the talent a coach has to work with. I'm not saying Joseph is the second coming, but it is a fact that Miami's defensive talent was horrific in 2016, and they went to the playoffs. 

An excellent job? His defense finished near the bottom in every statistical category...

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Same time results matter for Daboll? Just sayin.....

You mean the guy who got almost 25 PPG from this offense over the last 7 games of the season?  Not the best performance in the NFL but pretty damn good considering what we had to work with...

 

Maybe you should actually be aware of the facts before you post silliness

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4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Some Bronco fans I know say he’s got some F’ed off field skeletons in his closet too.  I can’t remember exactly what it was, but I think it may have involved domestic violence.  Anyone know of any off field things with him?  My friend just kept complaining that not only was he a terrible HC, but was a POS off the field and couldn’t believe he was still their HC.

Yes.. when he was at Colorado 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/new-broncos-coach-vance-joseph-disputes-sexual-assault-allegations/amp/

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12 hours ago, whatdrought said:

The league is full of retread coaches. 

 

It's amazing to me.  NFL ownership is the most conservative group of people you will ever find.

 

For the most part, they are utterly afraid to take any risk whatsoever, and prefer the safety associated with hiring coaches who have NFL experience, even if they stink.

 

Half the coaching personnel in the league should probably not be in the league.

 

I think of guys like Dave Wannstedt, who is now mercifully no longer in the league...he made a career out of being a bad coach in the NFL. 

 

 

 

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