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Four years after drafting Winston and Mariota 1 and 2, the Bucs and Titans are in “QB Purgatory”

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6 hours ago, Magox said:

Otherwise known as the Tannehill Conundrum 

That's exactly what I was thinking. There is nothing worse than a Ryan Tannehill, who's not quite bad enough to bench, but not nearly good enough to get it done. He's the definition of a coach killer.

 

My preference with Allen is that he never falls into that category. Either take off and fly(HIGHLY PREFERABLE) or make it clear you're not the answer. Don't keep us in limbo!

4 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Winston's off-field issues naturally raise questions about him.

 

Mariota?  He's going to have his fifth OC in five years?  They're in coaching purgatory, not QB purgatory. 

Chicken or egg. Average QB's tend to get coach's fired because the organization doesn't want to give up on the QB. We just need the right OC or HC!

 

Not a big fan of Winston or Mariotta. 

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At this point, both guys are below average (I would personally rank them in the Top 20-25, but not any higher).

Both have been in the NFL for four years with very little improvement from their rookie seasons. 

That's longer than lots of QBs get to prove themselves.  So time is running out.

 

If I am Tampa Bay and Tennessee, I give them until mid-season next year.  If they don't look like franchise material, then I would be pretty confident it's not going to happen.  Bench them for a younger/developmental guy and tank for the 2020 draft.

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12 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

He is smart enough not to pay money to a huckster trying to patent a phrase.  Have you been fooled?

 

That phrase was created by the press and I'd like to see the fight over who could copywrong it.

Im not fooled until I see a link saying otherwise. Got one? I'm just saying..I never heard the phrase until Whaley said it

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5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Imo, Winston still has more upside, but he’s probably headed for jail by the time he’s 30. Marriota hasn’t been able to stay healthy enough to grow more into the position. Has either team committed to the 5th year?

 

I’m not a fan of immaturity, but I wonder if it’s true that Winston stopped drinking after the Uber groping incident. I did hear that. I haven’t paid much attention, but it’s been a couple years since he’s been an idiot, right? The actual Uber incident was a while ago. That might give me some hope, if true. I’m more concerned about the direction of his life than his football career, but if he gets his life right, the whole football thing stands a much better chance.

 

Did he end this year on the upswing?  Was he hurt, playing lousy or just a jerk when Fitzy was playing early on? I’m really not sure, but certainly curious. 

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5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yep.........possibly the dumbest thing he ever said as a Bill.

 

And of course the apologist crowd here ate it up.

 

While the % of QB's drafted that become franchise types is low............the list of QB's that the Bills took a pass on since draft day 2000 was long enough and full of guys who took their teams to SB's to call "purgatory" as bullish*t.

 

 

That’s not what Whaley meant by QB purgatory. He simply meant that the Bills hadn’t had that franchise-caliber QB to lead the team, not that none had existed in the draft all those years.

 

 

The team was in QB purgatory, not the league. It was a great phrase.

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6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Would you sign either to a giant QB deal?

 

...a bit confused (as expected) bud....are we talking pre-draft or today with the benefit of hindsight?.........

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That's the thing. People complain, like it's so easy to get a good QB. For every Mahomes (and it's still early, but he looks like the real deal) there are ~20-30 Winstons and Marriotas. We've been in purgatory for quite some time, but I'm confident we've found our guy in Allen.

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6 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Great link again Yolo. I absolutely would not want to sign either of these guys to a monster deal. Are they better than what we've trotted out for much of the year outside of Allen? Sure. But that's not the question. Just good enough to avoid a straight up QB housecleaning, but most certainly not good enough to take you to the promised land on their shoulders, which is the ultimate goal (or should be) of any FO. Would you also add someone like Matthew Stafford to this mix? 

I'd add Kirk Cousins to this mix

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3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...a bit confused (as expected) bud....are we talking pre-draft or today with the benefit of hindsight?.........

Today . They are both heading into  their 5th year options and will either need signed to franchise QB deals by the teams that drafted them, or set free to the market. 

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10 hours ago, Magox said:

Otherwise known as the Tannehill Conundrum 

 

This happens a lot. Heck it's happened to us a couple of times.  EJ and JP.

 

Gosh I hope it doesn't happen this time.Neck

 

the Fannyhill situation is worse though.  Too good to dump and start over, but not good enough and too injury prone to win with.  Still shocked the Fish resigned him.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, eanyills said:

 

 

That’s not what Whaley meant by QB purgatory. He simply meant that the Bills hadn’t had that franchise-caliber QB to lead the team, not that none had existed in the draft all those years.

 

 

The team was in QB purgatory, not the league. It was a great phrase.

 

 

No what he meant was that the Bills couldn't get one in the draft because they didn't lose enough games to select one at the top of the draft.

 

Which appealed to the apologist portion of the fanbase who thought that mediocrity in the standings was holding the team back..........when it wasn't.

 

The most consistently successful organizations of the 2000's rose from mediocrity..........they didn't tank to facilitate their success...........mediocrity is in fact a lot better place to start than tanking.

 

The Bills weren't in QB purgatory they just didn't pull the trigger that smarter/more QB-aggressive teams did.

 

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11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Would you sign either to a giant QB deal?

 

Nope ,

 

but Arians should help Winston a lot, and if he cant no one can.

 

 

11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

That term will always remind me of Doug Whaley 

 

Why ?

 

 

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11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have heard he could be traded. He is kind of like Cousins in a way. Stat accumulator but not a winner. 

 

thats what i see in Stafford as well. He piles up the numbers but when its crunch time he folds.

 

Allen is the opposite, stats blow but when you need a big play he delivers (unless WRs drop the ball)

 

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20 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Nope ,

 

but Arians should help Winston a lot, and if he cant no one can.

 

 

 

Why ?

 

 

I linked it earlier in the thread - so surprised no one else remembers him saying that! He said the Bills were in QB purgatory back when they had Tyrod and EJ

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4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I linked it earlier in the thread - so surprised no one else remembers him saying that! He said the Bills were in QB purgatory back when they had Tyrod and EJ

 

i thought you were referring to the smallest violin.

 

Yeah i kind of remember that.

 

 

He wasn't lying though lol !

 

 

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12 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

In fact, I don't ever recall hearing that phrase before Whaley. If he was smart, he'd have patented it and could be collecting royalties now😂

 

If only he knew how bitter Bills fans were. 

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Just imagine if Titans would've taken whatever Chip Kelly threw at them that year for Mariota. 

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Jameis is interesting, he makes some pretty great plays from time to time but I believe his mistakes outweigh the good. I would give him one year with Bruce and see what you have. Marcus is a bit of a surprise to me, watching him live at UofO many times i thought he would translate pretty well in the NFL but I think he is going to be a highly paid backup in a year or two.

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19 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I just hope Three years from now the Bills aren't in QB purgatory.   I think Minnesota & Arizona are going to be.

i don't think any middle for JA..he will be a bust or be great IMHO.

 

this time last year i would bet my right nut he would be a bust, now I am leaning 60/40 he will be awesome

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20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Would you sign either to a giant QB deal?

QB purgatory indeed.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I think that both teams need to openly explore a possible trade for a vet QB and also look to the draft.  I'm very skeptical that either will ever be better than lower average.

 

If I had to guess I'd say Mariota stays, Winston goes. (although hasn't Winston gotten the dreaded vote of confidence from ownership?)

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20 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I just hope Three years from now the Bills aren't in QB purgatory.   I think Minnesota & Arizona are going to be.

 

The Vikings are flat out screwed. They paid a ton of dough for a better-than-average QB. 

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14 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’m not a fan of immaturity, but I wonder if it’s true that Winston stopped drinking after the Uber groping incident. I did hear that. I haven’t paid much attention, but it’s been a couple years since he’s been an idiot, right? The actual Uber incident was a while ago. That might give me some hope, if true. I’m more concerned about the direction of his life than his football career, but if he gets his life right, the whole football thing stands a much better chance.

 

Did he end this year on the upswing?  Was he hurt, playing lousy or just a jerk when Fitzy was playing early on? I’m really not sure, but certainly curious. 

 

He was suspended at the beginning of the year because of the Uber incident and Fitzy was playing at an MVP level early on, so he got to keep the job until he returned to being the usual Fitz. Then Jameis came back, had a few decent games and one horrific game against Cinci (I think) and got benched again. And then Fitz was Fitz again so they came back to Jameis once again and from there on out, he was rated as like a top 5 QB based on QBR; 13 TDs to 4 INTs the last 6.25 games. Jameis has done this before where he's finished the season on a hot streak and then come back and been the same guy again, so we'll see. But the last 6.25 games (he checked in for Fitz late in the 3rd quarter and then started the final 6 games), he was playing at a 64% completion percentage, 33 TD/10 INT, 5000 yard pace (including rushing), so he definitely finished on the upswing.

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 With Winston, I’m not surprised that they are trying to salvage him by bringing in Arians. I do think that’s a good match. Maybe it will work. I do think it’s a bit much to stand up there and announce that they are “building the team around Jamies” and BA says he thinks he can win a SB. I mean he’s been benched repeatedly has he not? And when not benched he’s not shown that level of ability or leadership. And the last guy they hired was supposed to be solely due to his relationship with Jameis.  It was just a bit over the top support from the organization for a guy I don’t think deserved it. Maybe it was all just lip service. Or BA is the long lost Ryan brother. “Get ready, cuz we’re goin’!!”

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2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

i don't think any middle for JA..he will be a bust or be great IMHO.

 

this time last year i would bet my right nut he would be a bust, now I am leaning 60/40 he will be awesome

Yeah, you are probably correct on that.

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