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Four years after drafting Winston and Mariota 1 and 2, the Bucs and Titans are in “QB Purgatory”

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Let me pull out the world's smallest violin...

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Otherwise known as the Tannehill Conundrum 

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2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Let me pull out the world's smallest violin...

That term will always remind me of Doug Whaley 

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I just hope Three years from now the Bills aren't in QB purgatory.   I think Minnesota & Arizona are going to be.

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Great link again Yolo. I absolutely would not want to sign either of these guys to a monster deal. Are they better than what we've trotted out for much of the year outside of Allen? Sure. But that's not the question. Just good enough to avoid a straight up QB housecleaning, but most certainly not good enough to take you to the promised land on their shoulders, which is the ultimate goal (or should be) of any FO. Would you also add someone like Matthew Stafford to this mix? 

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Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Great link again Yolo. I absolutely would not want to sign either of these guys to a monster deal. Are they better than what we've trotted out for much of the year outside of Allen? Sure. But that's not the question. Just good enough to avoid a straight up QB housecleaning, but most certainly not good enough to take you to the promised land on their shoulders, which is the ultimate goal (or should be) of any FO. Would you also add someone like Matthew Stafford to this mix? 

I have heard he could be traded. He is kind of like Cousins in a way. Stat accumulator but not a winner. 

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And one of the folks on here who makes grand proclamations about how smart he is at assessing QB play, constantly criticizes Allen,  etc. etc., when that draft was coming up claimed he'd trade an entire draft for Winston.

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13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That term will always remind me of Doug Whaley 

In fact, I don't ever recall hearing that phrase before Whaley. If he was smart, he'd have patented it and could be collecting royalties now😂

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2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And one of the folks on here who makes grand proclamations about how smart he is at assessing QB play, constantly criticizes Allen,  etc. etc., when that draft was coming up claimed he'd trade an entire draft for Winston.

Who??

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Imo, Winston still has more upside, but he’s probably headed for jail by the time he’s 30. Marriota hasn’t been able to stay healthy enough to grow more into the position. Has either team committed to the 5th year?

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I wouldn't sign either of them to a huge deal, Mariotta can't stay healthy enough to see some on-field progress, and Winston might have more upside after TB signed Arians. But Arians can only do so much, I don't think Winston will stay out of trouble off the field long enough to reap the benefits of Arians tutelage. 

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9 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Great link again Yolo. I absolutely would not want to sign either of these guys to a monster deal. Are they better than what we've trotted out for much of the year outside of Allen? Sure. But that's not the question. Just good enough to avoid a straight up QB housecleaning, but most certainly not good enough to take you to the promised land on their shoulders, which is the ultimate goal (or should be) of any FO. Would you also add someone like Matthew Stafford to this mix? 

 

To the bold: no, personally, I would not.  I actually think he's a better than average QB, with little talent around him.  Huge arm, can read defenses, always has command of the huddle, and a leader.

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3 minutes ago, Wo-Bah said:

 

To the bold: no, personally, I would not.  I actually think he's a better than average QB, with little talent around him.  Huge arm, can read defenses, always has command of the huddle, and a leader.

 

Yup, I agree with this. Also remember that he has had essentially zero run game to support him for the majority of his time in Detroit. 

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I think there's at least a chance that Jameis gets a huge contract in Tampa. I don't really foresee that at this point with Mariota, mainly because he can't stay healthy, but he also hasn't been very productive even when he is healthy.

 

I don't envy the position either of those teams are in though. In my opinion, the worst QB situation to be in is having to pay a guy you know is an average-ish starter $20+ million per year. In that situation, I'd rather kick them to the curb and take my chances with a cheap vet and the draft. I imagine that if Jameis has another solid season, he'll get paid though; he already owns basically every passing record in Tampa's history and he's only a year older than Baker Mayfield.

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I personally think if the Titans took Philly up on their offer, Mariota would have been in a much better place right now. Tennessee was the worst place for Mariota, and both him and the Titans would have benefitted more if the Titans pulled the trigger on that trade

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

That term will always remind me of Doug Whaley 

 

 

Yep.........possibly the dumbest thing he ever said as a Bill.

 

And of course the apologist crowd here ate it up.

 

While the % of QB's drafted that become franchise types is low............the list of QB's that the Bills took a pass on since draft day 2000 was long enough and full of guys who took their teams to SB's to call "purgatory" as bullish*t.

 

Meanwhile the only #1 overall picks to win SB's in the 2000's are/were the Manning bros...........and before that the most recently drafted #1 overall QB to win a SB had been Aikman drafted in 1989(though 1983 #1 Elway won 2 SB's in the late 1990's).    

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Winston actually would be a good NFL QB if he could cut out the extra curricular and the turnovers. Those are his big downfall. He gets sacked a ton and TB has no defense whatsoever. 

 

Would I give either big money? No but I think maybe a change of scenery would be good for him.

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They're never going to be elite but they're Top 15 guys probably. It's just you're going to have to give them Top 5 money. Why do we overpay QB's in this league?

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They have themselves Andy Daltonitis.  Being better than any immediate replacements but not good enough to take you where you want to go, while costing a pretty penny.  If you have Andy Daltonitis, the Doctor would recommend building the best defense in football or removing the limb 

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