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23 hours ago, dlonce said:

New stadium with retractable roof. Only one question pertaining to that.

 

Old guy here will not go to many games. Put a dome on a new stadium and I’ll purchase a Loge for 3-7 years, might even buy a 30 year PSL and will it to my kids.

 

I cannot stand the drive, the elements and massive cluster ***** of leaving the stadium. Offer me entertainment venues and restaurants and we stay after the game.

Pegulas need to stop with this dinosaur in Orchard Park and build a stadium closer to Buffalo, not in a friggin cow pasture.

 

Any stadium downtown will have bigger massive cluster dlonce of leaving the stadium.  Infrastructure will not support it.

 

And no dinosaurs will not be extinct.

23 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

my wife does!!!

just to cater to you old farts? Think it's bad leaving Orchard park? Wait till ya see what its like leaving downtown. 

 

I think the solution is to put a graveyard on top of hill by stadium so he can have view of game.

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20 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

If you didn't say sightlines are very important I'm pissed at you.

 

It was only thing which I said was extremely important.  After being in several of the new "prize hogs" and barely able to see the game I'd rather be outside watching than inside the bowels of a hog.

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11 hours ago, Hammered a Lot said:

It was actually built on wheat fields. The ECC side was corn and sometime cabbage fields. 

 

Stop confusing senile ranter with facts!  

 

And my family (grandparents) live next to stadium across from crick and raised ducks.

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1 hour ago, The Senator said:

 

I don’t see how the corridors can be widened, nor more restrooms added, but then I’m neither an architect nor engineer.

 

in any case, Lambeau Field is historic, as is Soldiers Field.  It seems like a ridiculous waste of money to dump $250 million into Rich.

 

JMO

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Rich is historic at this point too!!! They can do it, how i don't know LOL. Sure they said the same thing bout Lambeau

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7 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

The smaller stadium is an interesting point. At what size would it make sense to combine both the bills and sabres under 1 roof?

A stadium that seats about 45,000 - 50,000...on a much smaller footprint in downtown is interesting.  You can still have a pretty big lot that allows for half the fans (if not more) to tailgate.

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41 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Rich is historic at this point too!!! They can do it, how i don't know LOL. Sure they said the same thing bout Lambeau

 

Rich may be historic in the hearts of many Bills fans because of the games and players we watched there, but it’s a dinosaur to the rest of the country.  It was designed by the same firm that designed NE’s Sullivan Stadium, and the Patriots had no problem replacing that POS as soon as they possibly could.

 

Don't misconstrue my remarks - I LOVE Rich, but just as War Memorial had to come down, so it’s time for Rich to do the same.  I’m sure the county can make a boatload of money subdividing the land.

 

Again, JMHO.

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22 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

A stadium that seats about 45,000 - 50,000...on a much smaller footprint in downtown is interesting.  You can still have a pretty big lot that allows for half the fans (if not more) to tailgate.

 

I don’t think the demand for tickets could be satisfied at 45,000-50,000.  We’ve had more season ticket holders than that when we’re winning, or at least promising that we’re gonna be winning. 😎

 

Also, the NFL requires a stadium capacity of at least 70,000 to host the Super Bowl.  So even if we build something that holds 65,000-68,000, which seem reasonable to me for a city our size, we still could never host a Super Bowl.

 

Not saying we will, or could, ever host the Super Bowl, because the NFL also requires sufficient hotel capacity to host the guests.

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2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Stop confusing senile ranter with facts!  

 

And my family (grandparents) live next to stadium across from crick and raised ducks.

No senile creek here, " G". Where the stadium is was my neighborhood playground. And I did live next door to my grandparents. 

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3 hours ago, The Senator said:

I don’t think the demand for tickets could be satisfied at 45,000-50,000.  We’ve had more season ticket holders than that when we’re winning, or at least promising that we’re gonna be winning. 😎

 

 

Last number I recall was 60K. But we don't know how many of those are pure scalpers. Imagine telling 10,000 fans here's your nice new stadium, but we don't have enough seats now, so you're out. 

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14 hours ago, Just Jack said:

 

Last number I recall was 60K. But we don't know how many of those are pure scalpers. Imagine telling 10,000 fans here's your nice new stadium, but we don't have enough seats now, so you're out. 

That happens at a lot of stadiums. Its called a waiting list. I believe green bay has the longest at 70 plus thousand.

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On 1/10/2019 at 12:14 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said:

The smaller stadium is an interesting point. At what size would it make sense to combine both the bills and sabres under 1 roof?

 

I'd explore it.  Everyone involved (taxpayers and the owners) would feel a lot better about the investment if it were utilized all the time.  

 

I'd want that venue designed to support the NFL, the NHL, NCAA tournaments and games, concerts, etc and have the hotels, restaurants, retail in it or around it.  

 

 

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21 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

I don’t think the demand for tickets could be satisfied at 45,000-50,000.  We’ve had more season ticket holders than that when we’re winning, or at least promising that we’re gonna be winning. 😎

 

Also, the NFL requires a stadium capacity of at least 70,000 to host the Super Bowl.  So even if we build something that holds 65,000-68,000, which seem reasonable to me for a city our size, we still could never host a Super Bowl.

 

Not saying we will, or could, ever host the Super Bowl, because the NFL also requires sufficient hotel capacity to host the guests.

 

...you would have a helluva time deriving a financial model based on 45K-50K that would ever support a new stadium investment with, let's say, a Lucas Oil Field type facility.....consider the economy of scale and the financial wherewithal of WNY NY for support.....necessary tix pricing AND seat licenses would not work......corporate suite sponsorship would never close the deficit....

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2 hours ago, dpberr said:

 

I'd explore it.  Everyone involved (taxpayers and the owners) would feel a lot better about the investment if it were utilized all the time.  

 

I'd want that venue designed to support the NFL, the NHL, NCAA tournaments and games, concerts, etc and have the hotels, restaurants, retail in it or around it.  

 

 

The utilization of it year round is what will make a new stadium possible in my opinion.

 

Problem I see is, I have a hard time seeing an NFL stadium smaller than 60k and an NHL arena more than 25k.

 

Overall I hope the pegulas get creative with this project

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1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...you would have a helluva time deriving a financial model based on 45K-50K that would ever support a new stadium investment with, let's say, a Lucas Oil Field type facility.....consider the economy of scale and the financial wherewithal of WNY NY for support.....necessary tix pricing AND seat licenses would not work......corporate suite sponsorship would never close the deficit....

 

Absolutely agree 100%.  Buffalo can’t afford a palace like AT&T Stadium etc., but a Lucas Oil type facility, with a few architectural enhancements and built to 70,000 capacity might be feasible.

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24 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I hope they renovate the current stadium but find a way to add a roof. 

 

I understand the “renovation opinion”, but personally think we’d be throwing good money after bad, for a stadium that, inevitably, will eventually need to be replaced.

 

i also don’t see how it’s even possible, structurally, to widen the corridors within the stadium’s existing footprint.  As we can observe, the corridors exist below the seats, and the rake of the corridor ceiling gets lower and lower as you approach the tunnels leading you back to your seat, to the point where it’s just a few feet from floor to ceiling. There is absolutely no way, structurally, to widen those corridors on the seat side, and to widen them from the outside would require enlarging the footprint.  You would basically have to do a total rebuild - i.e., build what would essentially be a new stadium, or just bite the bullet and build a new one on an adjacent site -  and I doubt it can be done for $250M.

 

JMO

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On 1/10/2019 at 7:36 PM, The Senator said:

 

I don’t think the demand for tickets could be satisfied at 45,000-50,000.  We’ve had more season ticket holders than that when we’re winning, or at least promising that we’re gonna be winning. 😎

 

Also, the NFL requires a stadium capacity of at least 70,000 to host the Super Bowl.  So even if we build something that holds 65,000-68,000, which seem reasonable to me for a city our size, we still could never host a Super Bowl.

 

Not saying we will, or could, ever host the Super Bowl, because the NFL also requires sufficient hotel capacity to host the guests.

 

In regards to stadium capacity, you can have a regular operating stadium capacity below that & still host a Super Bowl. 

State Farm Stadium in Arizona has a stadium capacity is 63,400, and they're just fine. Lucas Oil Field in Indianapolis has a capacity of 67,000, and they're fine to host too. Even Minnesota's stadium only has a running capacity of just over 66,000. Granted, even with a great stadium it'd be unlikely Buffalo would ever host a Super Bowl, simply because it doesn't have the infrastructure to support an event of that magnitude. 

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1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

 

In regards to stadium capacity, you can have a regular operating stadium capacity below that & still host a Super Bowl. 

State Farm Stadium in Arizona has a stadium capacity is 63,400, and they're just fine. Lucas Oil Field in Indianapolis has a capacity of 67,000, and they're fine to host too. Even Minnesota's stadium only has a running capacity of just over 66,000. Granted, even with a great stadium it'd be unlikely Buffalo would ever host a Super Bowl, simply because it doesn't have the infrastructure to support an event of that magnitude. 

 

All of the stadiums you mention were built with expansion capability to 70,000+.

 

In fact, the smallest you mention, State Farm, held 78,000+ for the 2016 FBS title game.

 

But you are right, Buffalo could never host the Big Game, and here’s why...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/06/09/super-bowl-2018-requirements-minnesota-vikings

 

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  • I like the Lucas stadium idea, but am still partial to doing what they did in /soldier Field and KC.  Really overhaul Rich Stadium, where you beautify the inside, place a partial roof over the third floow so you get the best of both, all heated seats, much more concessions with better choices, etc.  An open area to watch the game in a standing room area as it has been fun in other stadiums, and padded seats.  Between the state's contribution, plus the Pegulas it is doable.  If possible more suites if it is realistic to sell, and much better amenities for club seating.
  • I think it is much more cost effective as you don't have to change the infrastructure as the roads, etc. are fine for entering and exiting the stadium.

 

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20 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

Thanks, I voiced my displeasure with renovating New Era wherever possible.  I will go to games when they have a new stadium, I won't go to the current dump full of drunks.

 

So new stadiums mean fans won't get drunk?

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1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:
  • much more concessions with better choices,

 

 

is that really important in Buffalo? If tailgating is essential..why do we need better choices of food in the stadium? Beer..i understand, butjust sell a wider variety of can beer and we be all good!

43 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

Thanks, I voiced my displeasure with renovating New Era wherever possible.  I will go to games when they have a new stadium, I won't go to the current dump full of drunks.

good..stay away. I am pretty sure by your comments that those of us who actually do go to games are happier without you there. Your "drunk" comments are old, misinformed and lazy...maybe like ???

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