Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Yes I hate prevent defenses. Stats are deceiving - you can have a team be down 4 TDs at end of 3rd quarter so opposing defense plays prevent to try to prevent them from winning but they get 3 TDs and statisticians will rave about his 4th quarter performance. I hate prevent defenses too. Team has a comfortable 4 TD lead at the end of the 3rd quarter, next thing they're giving up 3 TD, 2 2 point conversions, and they're fighting to keep their opponent out of the end zone on the final drive. I think they "prevent" the team running that defense from winning all too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, Limeaid said: This to me was similar to the Denver Manning issue. Manning did not get them to the playoffs but when push came to shove he was better against better teams due to his brain. He recognized what opposing defenses were doing, used his eyes to get DBs to bite at wrong time and his voice to get free downs. Jackson was not ready for playoffs and they should have had discussion DURING halftime with QBs on what would happen if he continued being ineffective. The 7 DB defense would not have been as effective against Flacco. Part of the issue may be some of the WRs who clearly supported Jackson over Flacco with some local Ravens fans saying that some WRs dogged it trying to get Jackson to be starter. I talked to a coworker this morning that was pissed they didnt put Flacco in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I hate prevent defenses too. Team has a comfortable 4 TD lead at the end of the 3rd quarter, next thing they're giving up 3 TD, 2 2 point conversions, and they're fighting to keep their opponent out of the end zone on the final drive. I think they "prevent" the team running that defense from winning all too often. Prevent doesnt allow the WRs to get behind the D. If prevent was in play you wouldnt have a 31 yrd TD and teams dont use prevent in the Red Zone. They may have given them somebyerds inbetween but that isnt the sole issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 1) I do agree they need a way to compute garbage aka Blake Bortles and Matt Stafford stats. 2) it is a playoff game so it’s not as garbage time as the regular season. He made some nice plays at the end of the game. While it wasn't exactly garbage time, as there wasn't that big of a lead, the Chargers clearly let off the gas, IMO. It just seemed totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Prevent doesnt allow the WRs to get behind the D. If prevent was in play you wouldnt have a 31 yrd TD and teams dont use prevent in the Red Zone. They may have given them somebyerds inbetween but that isnt the sole issue here. Correction: Prevent SHOULDN'T allow the WR to get behind the D. But sometimes it does. And what makes more sense - letting the opponent knock on your door in the red zone, or keeping them on the wrong side of the 50? I understand your point about how Prevent D is supposed to work, when it works. My counterpoint is here is a team, sitting on a nice comfortable lead in part because their D played "nasty" and throttled the opponent. So instead of "dancing with the one who brung ya", you switch to a D that might not fire on all cylinders. And when it doesn't, well Hey, now the difference between garbage time and a comeback for the bad guys can be miiiiighty thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I also think some of the biggest Jackson critics would be defending Allen if he had a similar game in the playoffs. jackson has a lot of work to do as pretty much every rookie QB does. I will say I loved his attitude after the game. He went around high fiving fans who were booing him and taking accountability for his poor play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I also think some of the biggest Jackson critics would be defending Allen if he had a similar game in the playoffs. Ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: That is what I saw from the combine. Not impressed whatsoever SOS. What teams did they play? Flacco has a hip injury and that’s why the RB was kept in at QB. The FO drafted LJ and decided now is the time and it cost them advancing in the playoffs Flacco is at the end of the line- once alot of tape is out on Lamar things wont be as easy for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Ya think? There are just some many double standards. People were praising Allen’s “garbage time” performance against the Chargers in the regular season. I’m tough on Allen but if he struggle in his first playoff start, I’m giving him a pass. there is zero question Allen has the stronger arm. But I was talking with a friend about how important touch is for a qb. Eric Ebron struggled with the Lions and had the drops. He goes to the Colts and becomes a top 5 TE. Did he just get much better or does Lick throw a more catchable football? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Flacco is at the end of the line- once alot of tape is out on Lamar things wont be as easy for him. Oh, I agree Flaco is nearly done. But his experience and talent “could have” saved that game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Tough spot for a rookie QB. That's why I think the Colts win this coming weekend. First playoff game for Mahomes and the Colts D is playing well. Plus KC's D is bad and Reid will do something dumb like he does routinely in playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Correction: Prevent SHOULDN'T allow the WR to get behind the D. But sometimes it does. And what makes more sense - letting the opponent knock on your door in the red zone, or keeping them on the wrong side of the 50? I understand your point about how Prevent D is supposed to work, when it works. My counterpoint is here is a team, sitting on a nice comfortable lead in part because their D played "nasty" and throttled the opponent. So instead of "dancing with the one who brung ya", you switch to a D that might not fire on all cylinders. And when it doesn't, well Hey, now the difference between garbage time and a comeback for the bad guys can be miiiiighty thin. But he was able to exploit that D as a passer correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 the Media sure is spinning that fourth quarter against prevent defense (if that is what you call it) as the true Jackson they just want to focus on the last 5min Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Brother of a different mother? I think so...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: To me, it seems like maybe it was more than just a football decision to keep Jackson in (which is quite a stupid thing to do in the playoffs IMO). I think they probably didn’t want a QB controversy if Flacco had come in and played well. But its the playoffs. QB controversy be damned. Just give yourself the best chance to win the game and deal with all the rest when the time comes. If Flacco plays well, then great! You now boosted his trade value. The only other thing I can think of is that they wanted to get Jackson the experience for next year and beyond, even at the expense of winning the game... It might have been the 18 million guaranteed that the Ravens would have to had to pay if Flacco got hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: It might have been the 18 million guaranteed that the Ravens would have to had to pay if Flacco got hurt. That certainly is a factor and probably should be but Flacco could have taken insurance for game to cover himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Oh, I agree Flaco is nearly done. But his experience and talent “could have” saved that game. Absolutely, if Flacco is in they may have won- it is a tough decision to ride the QB carousel. Lamar has to get the ball up hard- leaves it to low going into his throwing motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 15 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: The Ravens hadn't been to the playoffs since 2014. They started the season 3-5 with Flacco(The win against Peterman doesn't count.) I'm sure they were disappointed by and large in Jackson's performance, but they probably don't even make the playoffs without him. For the record, he finished the day with a 78.8 passer rating and 56 yards rushing. They were one possession away from what would have been a historic comeback. He's still a rookie and all rookies improve, correct? Let's hope so. There is some sort of odd narrative out there that (a) Flacco was terrible or something, and (b) Jackson played amazing in the Ravens' 6-1 run to close the regular season. The Ravens won at Pittsburgh, at Tennessee, and were a missed PAT from taking the Saints to OT in New Orleans behind Flacco. For the season Flacco's and Jackson's passer ratings were almost identical but Flacco took the same number of sacks as Jackson in over 200 more dropbacks, and there is no question Flacco is a better passer. The Ravens also changed their run game once Jackson took over. There is a strong probability the Ravens post the same record if Flacco doesn't get hurt and replaced, simply because of their defense. I can sort of understand Harbaugh sticking with what was perceived as the "hot hand" to start the playoff game, but I remain steadfast in my opinion that it was a brutally bad decision for the team not to replace Jackson in the 3rd quarter. Quoting Jackson's stats in the last five minutes of the 4th quarter when the Chargers completely changed their approach tells me nothing. An interesting suggestion I've heard from a couple of Ravens fans is that perhaps both Harbaugh and Flacco said "F 'em" to the Ravens. Harbaugh isn't necessarily planning on staying (he will listen to other offers) and Flacco wasn't exactly lobbying to play and risk injury since he knew he wasn't in their future plans. I believe the Flacco part (he was likely pissed at the organization) more than the Harbaugh part. I think Harbaugh is just stubborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 21 hours ago, H2o said: A faster, but lesser of a passer version of Tyrod. Lamar is young and may improve though. He has a lot of work to do. He does indeed. But like Josh, he has a lot of time to do all that work. He and Josh are both young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) I for one did not think Lamar was that good down the stretch during the regular season. A great defense and certainly very athletic and Baltimore took advantage of his skill set. He did not throw a whole lot or had a good completion %. The issue is when they had to rely on Lamar to win the game, or create offense they had no idea what to do. I compare him and the narrative to Allen and nothing but positive press for Lamar, while Josh still has many critics. When watching Lamar, his passing mechanics and throws just are not very good. Edited January 8, 2019 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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