Big Turk Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 This guy looks like what we thought we were getting in Benjamin...a big, tall, open when not open contested catch player... Just now, TaskersGhost said: Having said that and much more that's in this thread, moves like this are not what is going to build a playoff-competitive team, namely raiding the CFL and waiver-wire. We've gottan a few good players that way on McBeane's watch, aka "The Process," but thus far not one that has become an impact player. Most of their big-money free-agent have whiffed. Benjamin, Lotulolei, both not unsurprisingly from Carolina are among the most prominent. Hyde's been good and adequate at S but I wouldn't put him in the impact-player category. Their best moves have been via the Draft, just not enough of them, and that's where playoff-competitive teams are built. Last season they turned 4 day-1 and day-2 picks along with the 1st pick in the 3rd round into two players when they could've had Edmunds with the 12th overall. Not a very efficient use of their picks, but if Allen works out, as he had better for their sakes, then it'll have been worth it. Either way, they have one pick in each of the first three rounds this season, given all of their needs, I don't see how they get it done in time to save their careers in Buffalo. Unless Allen breaks out like no QB that the Bills have ever had, I don't see "The Process" ending well at all. Benjamin was not a free agent signing he was a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Benjamin was not a free agent signing he was a trade. Shhhh... Never let the facts get in the way of a good anti Beane and McDermott rant.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 20 hours ago, eball said: Doesn’t seem like a “process” guy but they have the culture so maybe he takes the chance seriously. Certainly has big time talent. https://nationalpost.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/jones-eskimos-duke-williams-grows-up-and-steps-up-with-clutch-catches/wcm/1cbba9a3-a343-4f66-9397-439c3646496d 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobot Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://nationalpost.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/jones-eskimos-duke-williams-grows-up-and-steps-up-with-clutch-catches/wcm/1cbba9a3-a343-4f66-9397-439c3646496d Nice find. I don't think McDermott and Beane are adverse to giving second chances, and I'm sure they do their research to make sure the player is making an effort to be a good soldier. They kind of did the same thing with Foster, using a PS demotion to "wake him up" and it seemed to work. I'm sure if Williams reverts to being a bad apple they will have no qualms moving on. It's a nice move, feels like low-risk high-reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, dezertbill said: 40 times of note Larry Fitzgerald. 4.63 Jerry Rice. 4.71 Anquan Boldin 4.71 https://www.thesportster.com/football/nfl-players-with-slow-40-yard-dash-times/ People are too obsessed with 40 times. It is play speed that matters most. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I’m cool with signing anyone. Does seem like the whole character stuff is becoming BS when jobs are on the line though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 He looks like a TE- He can catch over the shoulder, can he run routes though? Seems like most of these highlights he gets a running start out of the back field and just runs a 9 route. But hey, cheapo, good idea, lets hope it works out, I like the creativity of the signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’m cool with signing anyone. Does seem like the whole character stuff is becoming BS when jobs are on the line though. i just don't think it was ever as much of a deal as posters wanted to make it out to be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, matter2003 said: This guy looks like what we thought we were getting in Benjamin...a big, tall, open when not open contested catch player... Benjamin was not a free agent signing he was a trade. OK, I was waiting for that. Way to leap-frog the point. Point was that he was one of their higher-profile "non-draft" moves. The entire point is that McBeane has added almost nothing of impact-player caliber apart from the Draft where White, Edmunds, and Allen's status remains to be seen. Also, part of that point being, given that, why would anyone hang their hat on McBeane's/The-Process' methodologies in free-agency? That's a foolish proposition, they've done almost nothing "game-changing" in that way whatsoever. Obviously an inability to peg talent has at leaste something to do with that, otherwise would they A, have made that trade, B, paid Lotulolei that much money, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, noacls said: Not trying to argue but their actions have been the opposite of everything you said so far in my opinion. This move reeks of desperation. I think this guy will be long gone before they get to training camp. No argument here, I never mentioned anything about the move just the "good character" BS some believe "the process" is all about. Edited January 7, 2019 by ricojes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://nationalpost.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/jones-eskimos-duke-williams-grows-up-and-steps-up-with-clutch-catches/wcm/1cbba9a3-a343-4f66-9397-439c3646496d Cool. Some of these guys just need to be humbled, apparently. Fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: Way to leap-frog the point. Point was that he was one of their higher-profile "non-draft" moves. The entire point is that McBeane has added almost nothing of impact-player caliber apart from the Draft where White, Edmunds, and Allen's status remains to be seen. Also, part of that point being, given that, why would anyone hang their hat on McBeane's/The-Process' methodologies in free-agency? That's a foolish proposition, they've done almost nothing "game-changing" in that way whatsoever. Who pissed in your cheerios? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Who pissed in your cheerios? Apparently, Beane and McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I don't want anything to do with this guy after Mia Khalifa put him on blast. That weak dick game stuff might fly in Canada. The NFL is an A1 league. So i wonder if he knows Chad Kelly too hmmmm Edited January 7, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Gugny said: I watched him play yesterday!!!! Changed his name to Lamar Jackson. he was a slight bit better than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Apparently, Beane and McDermott Mmmmmm process piss in the morning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: he was a slight bit better than that You're right. I owe Lamont an apology for that comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: OK, I was waiting for that. Way to leap-frog the point. Point was that he was one of their higher-profile "non-draft" moves. The entire point is that McBeane has added almost nothing of impact-player caliber apart from the Draft where White, Edmunds, and Allen's status remains to be seen. Also, part of that point being, given that, why would anyone hang their hat on McBeane's/The-Process' methodologies in free-agency? That's a foolish proposition, they've done almost nothing "game-changing" in that way whatsoever. Obviously an inability to peg talent has at leaste something to do with that, otherwise would they A, have made that trade, B, paid Lotulolei that much money, etc.? And so what? You make moves and sometimes they work sometimes they don't. Star will be fine. He was fine. He did what they wanted him to do. If you are banging on them for the Benjamin move how bout praising them for Foster, MacKenzie, and Wallace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Who pissed in your cheerios? No one. Who pissed in yours? Did that post seem temporamental to you? If so, thin skin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: And so what? You make moves and sometimes they work sometimes they don't. Star will be fine. He was fine. He did what they wanted him to do. If you are banging on them for the Benjamin move how bout praising them for Foster, MacKenzie, and Wallace? there's a certain level of microanalysis with the staff that's a bit over the top. i want this staff to try to do whatever they can to improve this team. if they don't work out, and they don't hurt the future of the team...so be it. some posters are just looking to be angry. one guy was still bitching about how they traded for coleman the other day. who cares? edit: not picking on taskersghost who you quoted. Edited January 7, 2019 by teef 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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