YoloinOhio Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I was looking at this list and realized that 8 of the 50 have played for the Bills... that seems like a high percentage https://247sports.com/Sport/Football/AllTimeRecruitRankings/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Amazing how many top high school recruits went on to have inconsequential careers in the NFL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Nkemdiche was such a disappointment at Ole Miss. Although he finally showed a glimpse of promise this year, I was extremely against him becoming a Bill the year he was drafted. Glad he wasn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 2:05 PM, /dev/null said: Amazing how many top high school recruits went on to have inconsequential careers in the NFL Recruiting services rate recruits for how they believe they will perform in college. A high major 4* or 5* QB recruit May Be pegged as a college star... but his height or playIng style (runner) or lack of work ethic May not be pro suitable Most NFL draftees every year are 3* or 4* guys. Yes 5* guys get drafted yearly... but they may not turn into superstars like you believe being so talented your whole life can sometimes hurt your work ethic... and everybody needs one in the pros... Dareus could’ve been a HoF.. he has more talent in his little finger than most players.. JJ Watt was a 2* recruit who busted his ass and became the best in the world 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 8:56 AM, YoloinOhio said: I was looking at this list and realized that 8 of the 50 have played for the Bills... that seems like a high percentage https://247sports.com/Sport/Football/AllTimeRecruitRankings/ Young, Pryor, Kouandjio, Barkley, Harvin, Henderson, Woods...Who did I miss? Only 3 were drafted by the Bills. Like Buffalo716 says above, 5* recruit doesn't always translate to the pros. If one is used to dominating without effort at the HS level, it becomes difficult to flick the switch and put in the effort needed to excel at higher levels. Not always just effort either, once heard Donald Jones (when he co-hosted with Murph) talk about the QB with the worst pocket presence he was ever a part of. Not sure if he ever revealed who he was talking about as I turned off the radio, but I'm sure it was Young. Just didn't have the infamous "it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Steve O said: Young, Pryor, Kouandjio, Barkley, Harvin, Henderson, Woods...Who did I miss? Only 3 were drafted by the Bills. Like Buffalo716 says above, 5* recruit doesn't always translate to the pros. If one is used to dominating without effort at the HS level, it becomes difficult to flick the switch and put in the effort needed to excel at higher levels. Not always just effort either, once heard Donald Jones (when he co-hosted with Murph) talk about the QB with the worst pocket presence he was ever a part of. Not sure if he ever revealed who he was talking about as I turned off the radio, but I'm sure it was Young. Just didn't have the infamous "it" Bryce Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Bryce Brown Thanks...didn't want to have to google 43 names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Steve O said: Thanks...didn't want to have to google 43 names He was pretty forgettable other than the fumble in the end zone vs the Chiefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Recruiting services rate recruits for how they believe they will perform in college. A high major 4* or 5* QB recruit May Be pegged as a college star... but his height or playIng style (runner) or lack of work ethic May not be pro suitable Most NFL draftees every year are 3* or 4* guys. Yes 5* guys get drafted yearly... but they may not turn into superstars like you believe being so talented your whole life can sometimes hurt your work ethic... and everybody needs one in the pros... Dareus could’ve been a HoF.. he has more talent in his little finger than most players.. JJ Watt was a 2* recruit who busted his ass and became the best in the world It's the same in all sports. When you are the best kid on the field/ice at all levels starting at an early age, you can get by on raw talent and lazy shortcuts. A lot of guys go that route. Then they finally rise to a level where everyone around them has the same skill level and their game suffers dramatically. Other top performers at a young age have a really strong work ethic that they take with them throughout their entire careers. Those are the guys who end up being pro superstars and HOF members, b/c they have the super talent and the work ethic to excel at any level. At least that is my observation. On a somewhat related note: I always find it interesting how many guys on a big time college football field, or NFL field, were not just "stars" at the high school level, but were THE QB OF THE TEAM at the high school level! Despite like now being a LB or DE or safety, or HB or God knows what. I.E., they have so much talent, the only place it makes sense to play them at the high school level is at QB. Even if they are nowhere close to being good enough to play QB at the big time college or NFL level. My point is that an NFL football field (or big time college field) is just littered with super talented athletes. If only some of them said "screw the head shots, I'm playing soccer" when they were 8 years old. America would never lose the World Cup. Yes, I'm a big soccer fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The high school rating system generally rewards the biggest, strongest and fastest players. You're essentially just rewarding the most physically developed 17 and 18 year olds. Reality is that most 17 and 18 year old kids are nothing physically like what they'll become after 3-4 years in a college weight program. This is when 2 and 3 star guys develop into NFL prospects, because they get much bigger and stronger than they were as high school players, while the 5 star guys are already maxed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 Star ratings also have a lot to do with which camps these kids go to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: It's the same in all sports. When you are the best kid on the field/ice at all levels starting at an early age, you can get by on raw talent and lazy shortcuts. A lot of guys go that route. Then they finally rise to a level where everyone around them has the same skill level and their game suffers dramatically. Other top performers at a young age have a really strong work ethic that they take with them throughout their entire careers. Those are the guys who end up being pro superstars and HOF members, b/c they have the super talent and the work ethic to excel at any level. At least that is my observation. On a somewhat related note: I always find it interesting how many guys on a big time college football field, or NFL field, were not just "stars" at the high school level, but were THE QB OF THE TEAM at the high school level! Despite like now being a LB or DE or safety, or HB or God knows what. I.E., they have so much talent, the only place it makes sense to play them at the high school level is at QB. Even if they are nowhere close to being good enough to play QB at the big time college or NFL level. My point is that an NFL football field (or big time college field) is just littered with super talented athletes. If only some of them said "screw the head shots, I'm playing soccer" when they were 8 years old. America would never lose the World Cup. Yes, I'm a big soccer fan. Hahah too bad they love American football and you are right. Every kid in D1 and the NFL is super talented. It’s usually the drive within and work ethic that sets players apart at The highest level and to answer you question about HS QBs... a HS coach has 1 job , to win games ... HS football has changed drastically over 50 years 50 years ago, you took your best athlete and put him at Fullback or Halfback.. now coaches take their best athlete and put him at QB... that is where the HS game went most are glorified RBs playing QB, but their are some who make it big and develop a good arm like Watson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 On 1/8/2019 at 12:48 PM, jrober38 said: The high school rating system generally rewards the biggest, strongest and fastest players. You're essentially just rewarding the most physically developed 17 and 18 year olds. Reality is that most 17 and 18 year old kids are nothing physically like what they'll become after 3-4 years in a college weight program. This is when 2 and 3 star guys develop into NFL prospects, because they get much bigger and stronger than they were as high school players, while the 5 star guys are already maxed out. Josh Jacobs barely got any scholarship offers so you would seem to have a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just remembered Justin Fields is at Ohio State this year. I gotta go to a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 9:09 AM, FeelingOnYouboty said: Just remembered Justin Fields is at Ohio State this year. I gotta go to a few games. Spring game in 2 weeks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Spring game in 2 weeks!! UGH! Traffic around my house is gonna be insane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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